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    Hypohetically Thinking

    I see people on here complain about the type of offense that ISU runs and it kinda got me thinking tonight after watching ISU vs Nebrasa on DVR. If you could choose what type of offense that ISU would run, what would you choose? Pass happy, run happy, slow it down, speed it up, any type of offense, what would you choose.
    Personally I think having a shotgun 2 back option kind of set would be a good offense. Fake a run up the middle with Woody or break it outside with Shontrelle. Have quick shifty receivers and run more of an uptempo kind of offense would be to my liking. What are other peoples thoughts?



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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    I'm perfectly fine with the offense we run. I'm waiting till we have the athletes that are made to run the system though before I can hold any water to possibly change our offense.



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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    Assuming we could run any offense and we have the needed players to run that offense, I would love for ISU to run a hurry up, lightening speed offense. Like Oregon and Oklahoma. I love watching defenses scramble and panic to get set before the offense hikes the ball.



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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    i think we will see plenty of the kid that was from ft worth that redshirted last year and i also feel robert standard will see the field a few times this coming fall....


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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonedave25 View Post
    Assuming we could run any offense and we have the needed players to run that offense, I would love for ISU to run a hurry up, lightening speed offense. Like Oregon and Oklahoma. I love watching defenses scramble and panic to get set before the offense hikes the ball.
    Oregon's offense is studly. As I understand it, the whole idea is that they run a rather thin playbook, but they run it so fast that the defense gets confused and doesn't know what to do before the ball is snapped. I appreciate simple yet effective, so that's the kind of thing I like to see.



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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    Quote Originally Posted by Sloup
    Oregon's offense is studly. As I understand it, the whole idea is that they run a rather thin playbook, but they run it so fast that the defense gets confused and doesn't know what to do before the ball is snapped. I appreciate simple yet effective, so that's the kind of thing I like to see.
    I run 6 plays, split veer. It's like Novocaine. Just give it time, always work.



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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    Quote Originally Posted by Sloup View Post
    Oregon's offense is studly. As I understand it, the whole idea is that they run a rather thin playbook, but they run it so fast that the defense gets confused and doesn't know what to do before the ball is snapped. I appreciate simple yet effective, so that's the kind of thing I like to see.
    Thats a great point, I think Oregon speeds the pace up because they know how versatile they are and so do defenses. They run a relatively small amount of plays but they all use similar looks, packages, etc... This forces the defense to play them honest. When you know exactly how defenses have to play you its going to make the playcaller/qb's job very easy. THe problem is you have to have the athletes to open things up otherwise you just get stagnant, Oregon has built their entire philosphy around the fact that it doesn't matter what the defense does because we have more speed and better athletes. Michigan is an example of this backfiring, when they were in the non conference they had the hands down lock to win the heisman and basically ran 3 or 4 plays. They had a couple read options with Robinson and threw bubble screens to their slots all day when teams tried to stack the box. This worked great....until they ran in to big 10 teams who weren't inferior athletically and had the ability to stop the read option and the screens wihtout gambling and leaving themselves vulnerable. Another great example of this is the Texas/Nebby game. Texas used a super simple gameplan, just let our superior athletes keep Tmart in front of them, nothing cute, nothing complicated...speed checks speed.



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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    Quote Originally Posted by Sloup View Post
    As I understand it, the whole idea is that they run a rather thin playbook, but they run it so fast that the defense gets confused and doesn't know what to do before the ball is snapped. I appreciate simple yet effective, so that's the kind of thing I like to see.
    Mike Leach's Texas Tech teams did something like this as well. They only had about 15 plays, but they ran them out of 30 formations. Leach said that doing it that way means your offense only needs to know 15 plays, but the defense has to know 450. Each receiver may only have to run 4 - 5 routes, but he'll run it from 8 - 10 different places along the line of scrimmage.


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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    I hope to see us in the pistol with two backs behind whoever is at quarterback.



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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    I run three plays. Bone right belly right. Bone Left belly left. And Bone right belly left.

    Seriously though, Mike Leech's offense.



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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    The only problem with ISU's offense is we don't pass enough. We should have stuck with a Pro Style and kept adding some spread elements more and more each year until we got the players to properly run it. I feel like since our WR's weren't getting it done last year, we should have stuck with the Pro Style and that should have helped the running game a little more. It might not have made THAT big of a difference, but I think we have some quality spread players for next year. They are young though, but we should be seeing some real improvement the next few years.



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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    Pass more, run less.


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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    Quote Originally Posted by CyDude16 View Post
    I'm perfectly fine with the offense we run. I'm waiting till we have the athletes that are made to run the system though before I can hold any water to possibly change our offense.
    This. People forget that CPR/TH did not recruit AA or Tiller.

    Of course, there is one truism: it does not matter what offense (or defense) you run; once you have "your" players in place, they still need to produce.



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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    Quote Originally Posted by heitclone View Post
    Oregon has built their entire philosphy around the fact that it doesn't matter what the defense does because we have more speed and better athletes. Michigan is an example of this backfiring, when they were in the non conference they had the hands down lock to win the heisman and basically ran 3 or 4 plays. They had a couple read options with Robinson and threw bubble screens to their slots all day when teams tried to stack the box. This worked great....until they ran in to big 10 teams who weren't inferior athletically and had the ability to stop the read option and the screens wihtout gambling and leaving themselves vulnerable.
    I don't know that I'd say it "backfired" at Michigan. Before the last game vs. Ohio State, Michigan average 41 ppg in the non-conference and 34 ppg in conference. They were still able to do a lot of the things they did in the early season, but their defense too often resembled a sieve and couldn't get any stops to translate into W's.

    I'm a Hawk fan, so I don't know how it applies to this thread, but I like watching Leach's style, RichRod's style, and pre-Tebow Florida when they were wide open, 5 wide so often.



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    Re: Hypohetically Thinking

    Quote Originally Posted by zwclones51 View Post
    I see people on here complain about the type of offense that ISU runs and it kinda got me thinking tonight after watching ISU vs Nebrasa on DVR. If you could choose what type of offense that ISU would run, what would you choose? Pass happy, run happy, slow it down, speed it up, any type of offense, what would you choose.
    Personally I think having a shotgun 2 back option kind of set would be a good offense. Fake a run up the middle with Woody or break it outside with Shontrelle. Have quick shifty receivers and run more of an uptempo kind of offense would be to my liking. What are other peoples thoughts?
    I agree, I think we need a Pro set in the shot gun, two backs with the Qb.
    Run the belly read with Woody and have the option available with Shontrelle.
    It also gives us better pass protection, you could use a TE with Woody or Shontrelle, use them to check for blitzing Lbers then flare out, or curl for safety valve, middle screen type play.
    Use the TE to short side as extra blocker and do a "Mary had a little lamb" slow release on DE or backer and run a delay flat route.

    Heck I'd even accept a Oklahoma Diamond look with short motion out or across the formation, I also like the Diamond backfield with an unbalanced line run power off and middle trap series.

    Just need an extra man back there for MAXIUM pass defense.



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