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    Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    Can (or Is . . . or Should) ISU use its own Engineer/Architecture Departments to reduce costs???



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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    I don't think they can use their own departments in that way. I'm pretty sure that any construction would need to be bid on since ISU is part of the state government.



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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    And while we're at it we can use student's as cheap labor!



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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    No and no. The students don't have the experience to be designing something like that and the professors don't have the time and not all of them have the experience either. This is coming from a CE grad.

    Agronclone also has a good point. As part of the state government they are almost certainly required to bid out the design.



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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    Quote Originally Posted by CONEClone View Post
    And while we're at it we can use student's as cheap labor!
    Makes sense to me. Then we can start rumors of how many students fell into the concrete and are forever part of the stadium.



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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    This would also require quite a few PE stamps. Not sure how many folks at an educational institution would have those, as prof types generally don't have the experience component required to obtain them.



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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    Quote Originally Posted by CtownCyclone View Post
    This would also require quite a few PE stamps. Not sure how many folks at an educational institution would have those, as prof types generally don't have the experience component required to obtain them.
    Actually the staff ISU has in their Civil and Construction departments is more than capable in designing this from ground up. They just are required to bid out the design by the Board of Regents.



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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    Quote Originally Posted by CONEClone View Post
    Actually the staff ISU has in their Civil and Construction departments is more than capable in designing this from ground up. They just are required to bid out the design by the Board of Regents.
    Hmmm...Guess I was thinking of this with my "ME" glasses on. It would make more sense for the Civil guys to have more real-world experience (i.e. PE-worthy) in this kind of thing than other disciplines.

    Also, I would think that the design phase would take quite a bit longer if the ISU folks were to do it simply because they've got other responsibilities besides the stadium.



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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    Don't kid yourselves, this thing is already designed. RDG will design, Weitz will build. Yeah, RDG would have some work yet to do, but they have enough work put into it already that it wouldn't make sense to hand it off to someone else.



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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    Quote Originally Posted by CtownCyclone View Post
    Hmmm...Guess I was thinking of this with my "ME" glasses on. It would make more sense for the Civil guys to have more real-world experience (i.e. PE-worthy) in this kind of thing than other disciplines.

    Also, I would think that the design phase would take quite a bit longer if the ISU folks were to do it simply because they've got other responsibilities besides the stadium.
    This. The campus arch/eng dept. (ISU employs architects and engineers for facility management, campus planning etc.) is too small to take on a JTS project and while we have plenty of professors who are PEs; a JTS project isn't in their job description. Factor in that for a state institution the project would have to be open to interviews and competitive bids; it couldn't be done on campus.

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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frak View Post
    Don't kid yourselves, this thing is already designed. RDG will design, Weitz will build. Yeah, RDG would have some work yet to do, but they have enough work put into it already that it wouldn't make sense to hand it off to someone else.
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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frak View Post
    Don't kid yourselves, this thing is already designed. RDG will design, Weitz will build. Yeah, RDG would have some work yet to do, but they have enough work put into it already that it wouldn't make sense to hand it off to someone else.
    Actually I wouldn't be so sure about Weitz. With the work Mortenson has been doing on campus (Hach Hall, Getting Hilton Ready) and their unrivaled experience with stadiums I think they would be a better candidate. It also doesn't help Weitz didn't do too well when doing the East and West renovations.



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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    Quote Originally Posted by CtownCyclone View Post
    Hmmm...Guess I was thinking of this with my "ME" glasses on. It would make more sense for the Civil guys to have more real-world experience (i.e. PE-worthy) in this kind of thing than other disciplines.

    Also, I would think that the design phase would take quite a bit longer if the ISU folks were to do it simply because they've got other responsibilities besides the stadium.
    Even the engineering buildings have been designed by outside firms. I don't know that anything has been designed by professors in the college for a long time.



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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    Paging GoShow.

    Time to write a check...



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    Re: Bowling in the Endzone . . . question about insourcing.

    Will never happen because of non-compete laws in the State. This is also why the Vet School can't offer cheap vet services to the public.



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