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    The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    Here's a new piece that I'm going to start trying here at CF. I hope you enjoy it.

    Chris Williams' Iowa State Cyclone Slant: QB controversy? | Cyclone Fanatic



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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    I thought I'd point out this column by the Ames Tribune's Bobby La Gesse. We somewhat agree on this topic. But La Gesse states that Jantz will likely be the "odds on favorite" at QB next spring. Check it out.

    Go Cyclones - Column: How Jantz changes the ISU QB situation



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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    I agree with your choice of terminology. It's a competition, not a controversy.

    I'm comfortable that the staff will put the best man in there next fall. I'm also more comfortable with the situation now that Jantz has been signed. Tiller has shown me enough that I feel confident that he will be serviceable at QB next year if he's the man. I don't think he's shown enough to know for sure that he'll be better than that. We'll see.



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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    I have seen nothing from Tiller to make me think he's even serviceable. Hes a football player, but he's not a QB past the HS level.



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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    I don't think our staff will kiss anybody's ***. I trust in this staff to put out the best QB. Thats what i like about our staff. There is no *** kissing and they will do everything possible to win. If that means Tiller has improved and wins the job. More power to him. If he doesn't win the job, then thats great too.


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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    I have seen nothing from Tiller to make me think he's even serviceable. Hes a football player, but he's not a QB past the HS level.
    By my definition, serviceable= he probably won't win you games that you would normally lose, and he won't lose you games that you would normally win.

    Anyway, I'm hoping that he (and other players) use the off season to make big strides in their understanding of the offense, and in their execution.



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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    I have seen nothing from Tiller to make me think he's even serviceable. Hes a football player, but he's not a QB past the HS level.
    Depends on your definition of 'serviceable', but I agree with the general tone of your post. Tiller is a good backup QB in that you can put him out there and feel fairly confident that he's not going to lose the game for you. That said, to this point in his career, he's also shown that he won't win a game for you. That doesn't mean he can't improve, but you can see why the staff wanted to bring in another 'experienced' QB to push the competition. Personally, I think they're hoping one of the young guys can win the job, and that Jatz can be a quality fall-back if a guy like Barnett can't take it by the horns.

    As I was writing my latest blog post, I was thinking about Tiller and I recalled a lot of the criticism that was directed at AA this past season. I then tried to think of something that Tiller clearly does better than AA, and drew a blank. If I sat down and watched a bunch of game tape, I could probably come up with something. But as I stated on my blog, Tiller has a lot of work in front of him to simply become as good, let alone better, than our outgoing QB.



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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    We could get by with Tiller if we had one of the best rushing offenses and one of the top defenses in the nation.



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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    You don't bring in a JUCO if you're completely sold on the options at hand, simple as that. I really only think there's three real competitors for the job as of right now - Jantz, Tiller and Capello, with Barnett having an outside shot. I think Barnett's injury really held him back last year, and, remember, he was functioning as the scout team QB this fall rather than getting any reps at all with the first and second team offense. I know Jantz hasn't either, but it puts him behind the learning curve of Tiller and Capello, and we all remember Arnaud discussing how the offense was a bit complicated.

    For the offense to take the next step next year, improvement is probably needed at the WR position more than anything else. We desperately need a playmaker to step up and take a little pressure off of the QB and the running game. I don't doubt Shontrelle will be fine as the starter next fall, but we need a guy like Jarvis West or someone with some pure speed that can go in motion, stretching the field horizontally while other guys stretch the field vertically.

    With the spread commitment to the zone read, I like what I've heard as far as Jantz running the zone read. I don't see us abandoning that. It's also why I think Capello will get reps - he's quicker than Tiller.

    It should be a very interesting battle.



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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    Heres how I see it shaking out. Jantz roughly 40% chance of starting. Capello 25%, Barnett 25%, and Tiller 10%

    Now I could also see Tiller being our #2 still if Jantz wins the starting job because they could want an experienced backup still. If it were me though, I think we have to get him in the field at another position... hes too talented to not get playing time somewhere.

    I'm also in agreement that they wouldn't have brought in a Juco QB if they had no doubt Tiller could win the job. Not to say he can't, but I'm thinking they are thinking hes a long shot to win it even though he will more than likely enter spring ball with the job.

    I believe Sam Richardson is our best QB on the roster(assuming he signs), but I think he could be even better if he redshirts to continue working on his game and learning the system first. That is also the part of me that would like to see Tiller or Jantz win, the faster our starting QB graduates the faster Rich gets on the field.

    All in all I feel like this is going to be a great competition, I am comfortable with three of those four starting, and the fourth one I believe has more "upside" than the last few QB's we've had starting for us.

    Go Cyclones!



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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    Ill probably get hell from the Tiller fans for this but Id like to see him get moved to WR; he is certainly athletic enough. And who knows, maybe he can actually catch the ball unlike some of our returning WR's



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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    Quote Originally Posted by bpmcclain View Post
    Ill probably get hell from the Tiller fans for this but Id like to see him get moved to WR; he is certainly athletic enough. And who knows, maybe he can actually catch the ball unlike some of our returning WR's
    As much as I'd like to see him do that, Jantz would have to be all that he's advertised to be, and at least one of the others would have to be fantastic.



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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    If Jantz clearly wins the QB battle this spring, which of the others could and would switch positions??



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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    if tiller doesnt get the starting job does he transfer like bates did so he can be a starter somewhere? maybe toledo or some other **** MAC school



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    Re: The Cyclone Slant: QB Controversey?

    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeyeh8r View Post
    if tiller doesnt get the starting job does he transfer like bates did so he can be a starter somewhere? maybe toledo or some other **** MAC school
    lets hope not... he's too athletic to not be on the field. i would love to see him at the wideout. I think he has the capability of running the deep routes and he's relatively fast so hopefully CPR will find a place for Tiller if he isn't the starting QB



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