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    Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    It's still early in the season and I haven't had a chance to watch either team in action, so I thought I'd look at how we match up per the intermat/Win rankings and see if we can get some discussion going this week.

    Here's the rankings (taking an educated guess at the lineups), with the ISU guys listed first:

    125 Patrick Hunter (NR/NR) vs. Matt McDonough (1/1)

    133 Brandon Jones (NR/NR) vs. Tyler Clark (9/NR) or Nick Trizzino (NR/18)

    141 Chris Drouin (11/13) vs. Mark Ballweg (NR/NR)

    149 Nate Carr, Jr. (17/13) vs. Jeret Chiri (NR/NR)

    157 Trent Weatherman (NR/NR) vs. Derek St. John (10/11)

    165 Andrew Sorenson (17/13) (ISU) vs. Jake Kerr (16/NR)

    174 Jon Reader (3/7) vs. Ethan Lofthouse (19/16)

    184 Cole Shafer (NR/NR) vs. Grant Gambrall (8/8)

    197 Jerome Ward (11/9) vs. Luke Lofthouse (12/17)

    285 Kyle Simonson (NR/NR) or Matt Gibson (NR/NR) vs. Blake Rasing (16/NR)


    So based entirely off of the rankings I'd say the following on a match by match basis:

    125 Strong Iowa
    133 Strong Iowa
    141 Strong ISU
    149 Strong ISU
    157 Strong Iowa
    165 Weak ISU
    174 Strong ISU
    184 Strong Iowa
    197 Toss-up
    285 Weak Iowa

    So Iowa has four matches they should win, and ISU has three, with one match for each where they are they slight the favorite, and one toss-up.

    I think the keys to ISU winning on Friday will be to win all the matches we are supposed too, not give up too many bonus points at 125/133, pull off an upset at Heavyweight, and win the toss-up match at 197. It's a tall order but not at all impossible. I think the weight we start at might end up making a huge difference in the outcome if one team is able to gain momentum based on having a few heavy favorites in a row.

    Does anybody know what's up with Tyler Clark? He injury defaulted out of the Kaufman open and hasn't wrestled again. Is he done for the season? Or was Iowa just giving him time to heal since they didn't need him for any of their duals so far? Either way we aren't favored at 133, but it could be the difference between a decision and a tech fall/pin.


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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    Dylan Carew messed up his knee and is out for the year.

    We need to win 165 and 197 to even have a chance. Getting bonus points from Reader would be nice too


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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    We always give up two "should-be wins" to Iowa.



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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    I just want to see the ISU guys wrestle aggressive instead of being on their heels all day long. I get sick of watching the Iowa wrestlers force the action when these 2 teams meet.



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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by Haverhill View Post
    We always give up two "should-be wins" to Iowa.
    Especially when the meet is in front of a frenzied crowd in Carver. We're going to lose a match we should probably win, it happens all the time against Iowa, we're just going to have to make it up somewhere else and get an upset


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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by Haverhill View Post
    We always give up two "should-be wins" to Iowa.
    This. It's been frustrating watching that almost every year.



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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    im disappointed that St. John is a "strong Iowa" over Trent Weatherman. I know St John beat him 11-0 in a tournament last year. I was expecting Weatherman to step in and be a stud this year. Hopefully he steps it up like we know he can by the end of the season when it counts!



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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    im disappointed that St. John is a "strong Iowa" over Trent Weatherman. I know St John beat him 11-0 in a tournament last year. I was expecting Weatherman to step in and be a stud this year. Hopefully he steps it up like we know he can by the end of the season when it counts!
    Yeah, of all the "strong Iowa" matches I think he has the best chance of pulling off an upset, but records don't lie and Weatherman has losses this year to guys that are a lot worse than St. John.



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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    Sorry to bump my own thread, but does anybody know what the status of Tyler Clark is?

    Also, I think we're going to have to win six matches to pull this off. Our weakness at 125 and 133 is runs right into their strengths and that means they'll likely get 10-12 points in those two matches.


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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    Sorry to bump my own thread, but does anybody know what the status of Tyler Clark is?

    Also, I think we're going to have to win six matches to pull this off. Our weakness at 125 and 133 is runs right into their strengths and that means they'll likely get 10-12 points in those two matches.
    read on a hawkeye blog that Clark broke his hand in the match against isu guy at brand open. Bet it will be nate moore who was preseason 12th in country. It will be tough to overcome bonus points we give up at lighter weights



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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    id say more like 8-10 points for them after 2.

    i don't think we lose 1 we shouldn't, but of the 3 tossups, id bet my left 1 that they all go iowas way. over the past several years, they have out-conditioned us, which is huge in those tossup matches.



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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    I think the weight we start at might end up making a huge difference in the outcome if one team is able to gain momentum based on having a few heavy favorites in a row.
    I bet both coaches agree to start at 125 and don't do a draw. Unfortunately that probably means Iowa will jump out to an early lead. I wonder if Iowa will pull out the elevated mat like we did last year. That was pretty cool and I hope it becomes a regular thing for this meet.



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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    It's still early in the season and I haven't had a chance to watch either team in action, so I thought I'd look at how we match up per the intermat/Win rankings and see if we can get some discussion going this week.

    Here's the rankings (taking an educated guess at the lineups), with the ISU guys listed first:

    125 Patrick Hunter (NR/NR) vs. Matt McDonough (1/1)

    133 Brandon Jones (NR/NR) vs. Tyler Clark (9/NR) or Nick Trizzino (NR/18)

    141 Chris Drouin (11/13) vs. Mark Ballweg (NR/NR)

    149 Nate Carr, Jr. (17/13) vs. Jeret Chiri (NR/NR)

    157Trent Weatherman (NR/NR) vs. Derek St. John (10/11)

    165Andrew Sorenson (17/13) (ISU) vs. Jake Kerr (16/NR)

    174Jon Reader (3/7) vs. Ethan Lofthouse (19/16)

    184 Cole Shafer (NR/NR) vs. Grant Gambrall (8/8)

    197 Jerome Ward (11/9) vs. Luke Lofthouse (12/17)

    285Kyle Simonson (NR/NR) or Matt Gibson (NR/NR) vs. Blake Rasing (16/NR)


    So based entirely off of the rankings I'd say the following on a match by match basis:

    125 – Strong Iowa
    133 – Strong Iowa
    141 – Strong ISU
    149 – Strong ISU
    157 – Strong Iowa
    165 – Weak ISU
    174 – Strong ISU
    184 – Strong Iowa
    197 – Toss-up
    285 – Weak Iowa

    So Iowa has four matches they should win, and ISU has three, with one match for each where they are they slight the favorite, and one toss-up.

    I think the keys to ISU winning on Friday will be to win all the matches we are supposed too, not give up too many bonus points at 125/133, pull off an upset at Heavyweight, and win the toss-up match at 197. It's a tall order but not at all impossible. I think the weight we start at might end up making a huge difference in the outcome if one team is able to gain momentum based on having a few heavy favorites in a row.

    Does anybody know what's up with Tyler Clark? He injury defaulted out of the Kaufman open and hasn't wrestled again. Is he done for the season? Or was Iowa just giving him time to heal since they didn't need him for any of their duals so far? Either way we aren't favored at 133, but it could be the difference between a decision and a tech fall/pin.

    Im guessing that after the first 2 matches (assuming we start at 125) Iowa will be up by 9 or 10. Hunter is ok but will get dominated. And i've only seen Jones wrestle once and didnt look to impressive. But the next 4 weights could honestly be ours. I think anyone that wrestles Weatherman has to be on the lookout for his throw. He is a monster with his upper body. The only way they win these though is if all the ISU guys wrestle the way they know how to. The rest of the weights besides 184 could go either way. If Ward wrestles the way he did last year in this meet he can win. Simonson is pretty iffy and Gibson just needs some more experience. I would favor Iowa slightly in this match. As long as Iowa State comes to wrestle and doesnt give up a lot of bonus points, we should be right in this meet. But with the meet being at Carver, there is that chance that we get dominated.


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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by ricochet View Post
    I bet both coaches agree to start at 125 and don't do a draw. Unfortunately that probably means Iowa will jump out to an early lead.
    That's my guess as well. I could possibly see that working for us if our 125 and 133 guys are able to make it competitive. They don't have to win either of those two (though obviously that would be awesome to see an upset), but if we can go into the middleweights, where we are favored, only down 6-7 points. That would give us a pretty good chance of having it an even meet going into the last two matches.

    I'll be in row 12, so I would be down for a raised mat, bring it closer to my level.


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    Re: Early look at how we match up with Iowa

    I think it will come down to hwt, but in the end ISU just has a few to many hole in their line up. If we didn't have our defections/transfers we would be money.



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