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    Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    Apparently Mr. Avalos won't let the chaplain issue die. Time to give it up; your fight is over Mr. Avalos.

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    It's good to see the amount of Profs that support him is down to two. Maybe this is the last we'll hear about the issue.



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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    Nothing is better than beating an issue into the ground. Congrats Avalos for fighting the good fight so much that noone cares anymore.



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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    Give it up Avalos, no one cares what you think anymore...


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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    I don't know which I find more pathetic. A professor drunk on the notoriety received for challenging this issue from the beginning, or the Register for giving a militant minority a voice.



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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    The press release makes a good point about the nefarious recruiting intentions of Fellowship of Christian Athletes.

    That said, I'm glad Gene got his aide, because:

    1. The aide can't help but improve recruiting in the south, and that's really what's important here.
    2. A jesus/god message is probably pretty good at making kids toe the line and not question much.


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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    Quote Originally Posted by brianhos View Post
    Give it up Avalos, no one cares what you think anymore...
    That would imply someone cared what he thought in the first place.




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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    I'm convinced he wants to sue the university. To sue the university you have to have "standing". tax payers do not have standing to challenge this. No football player is going to challenge this. Avalos IMO is trying to get the University to reopen the hiring process, have a puppet of his apply and get denied and then sue the university for purposeful discrimination.

    Maybe I'm wrong but I wouldn't put it past him.

    Regarding the "nefarious" recruiting by FCA, that practice is only "nefarious" if done in the wrong place and/or at the wrong time. Certainly the chaplain position is not a proper position to prosteltyze from.



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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    Avalos is an embarassment to the University. Does anyone else get tired of these pompous, pious university-types who have nothing else to do (4-6 contact hours per week...maybe) than to tramp on the innocuous? This guy needs some REAL work. As one wise alumnus once told me, "University politics is so fierce precisely because the stakes are so low"! Ain't it the truth!!



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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    Someone, please send these to him...







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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Emerson View Post
    Avalos is an embarassment to the University. Does anyone else get tired of these pompous, pious university-types who have nothing else to do (4-6 contact hours per week...maybe) than to tramp on the innocuous? This guy needs some REAL work. As one wise alumnus once told me, "University politics is so fierce precisely because the stakes are so low"! Ain't it the truth!!
    What really torques me is that the state is paying hector $56,000 bucks a year to mess with the football program.


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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    Hector and his army of 2 are really on the rampage now



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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    He has a valid point, unfortunately. I think what bothers me the most here is what looks like an effort at all costs by Chizik and Pollard to get someone in this position who will promote their own personal religious beliefs. I'm going to go out a real limb here and guess that Chizik is probably a Baptist as well.

    We really have so many more important issues to deal with in our football program, and I really can't see how this Baptist guy will add anything to the table. You guys do realize southern Baptists tend to be much more fundamentalist about their religion than other Christian sects? A player who is more low key about his religion or one not religious at all would probably choose someone other than a Baptist chaplain for life advice if given a choice. Is a mass football player Baptism in Lake LaVerne next?!

    For those who argue that a chaplain helps keep players in line and makes them morally responsible, please show me the evidence that this is true. In fact, I'd say the SEC has more issues with players getting in serious trouble with the law than any other conference, and the SEC probably has more chaplain type positions because it's in the south.

    Take Auburn, where Chizik coached prior to Texas. Auburn has a horrible track record with players getting in trouble, and they've had many players involved in violent crimes like murder and drug dealing. Apparently the chaplain hasn't helped much there.

    For the people who support this position, please explain how this guy is going to help the team win more games. In fact there is no evidence that a team with a chaplain will have greater success on and off the field, so really, what's the point?



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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    Quote Originally Posted by Klubber View Post
    He has a valid point, unfortunately. I think what bothers me the most here is what looks like an effort at all costs by Chizik and Pollard to get someone in this position who will promote their own personal religious beliefs. I'm going to go out a real limb here and guess that Chizik is probably a Baptist as well.

    We really have so many more important issues to deal with in our football program, and I really can't see how this Baptist guy will add anything to the table. You guys do realize southern Baptists tend to be much more fundamentalist about their religion than other Christian sects? A player who is more low key about his religion or one not religious at all would probably choose someone other than a Baptist chaplain for life advice if given a choice. Is a mass football player Baptism in Lake LaVerne next?!

    For those who argue that a chaplain helps keep players in line and makes them morally responsible, please show me the evidence that this is true. In fact, I'd say the SEC has more issues with players getting in serious trouble with the law than any other conference, and the SEC probably has more chaplain type positions because it's in the south.

    Take Auburn, where Chizik coached prior to Texas. Auburn has a horrible track record with players getting in trouble, and they've had many players involved in violent crimes like murder and drug dealing. Apparently the chaplain hasn't helped much there.

    For the people who support this position, please explain how this guy is going to help the team win more games. In fact there is no evidence that a team with a chaplain will have greater success on and off the field, so really, what's the point?
    Ummmmm, can you explain to me how your much different point (and opinion) about how the chaplain isn't needed at all related to Avalos claim that the hiring process was flawed?

    Regardless of whether you think this position is needed, those responsible for the football program believe it is. Unless you or Avalos have a factual basis other than wild speculation and/or inference to claim that the hiring process was unfair you are up the creek w/o the proverbial paddle.



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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    How many people were interviewed for the job before the hiring?


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    Re: Avalos: "Chaplain issue must never die"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone62 View Post
    How many people were interviewed for the job before the hiring?
    Since the salary isn't coming from the university, why does it matter?


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