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    Ideal starting lineup

    With the post talent we have for the next three years, we need to drop this three guard stuff and go to a traditional G-G-F-F-C lineup. Once Prins is back to 100% and maybe already, the lineup should be

    PG Mansfield
    SG Bolte
    SF Christofferson
    PF Poppens
    C Prins

    Or switch Prins and Poppens when necessary. Zimmerman backs up Prins and Poppens, Schroll backs up Hallie, Harris backs up Bolte, Cole backs up Mansfield. That gives us the best chance for winning this year and the next two.



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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    I really don't know what I think about that. It could get crowded underneath the basket. I think your 1, 2, and 3 have to be at least a threat to drive, and I haven't seen enough of HC to know if she can do that.

    Right now I agree that your suggestion is the lineup that puts ISU's best 5 players on the court. It'll be especially interesting to see what happens when Prins is healthier.



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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    My idea of the "ideal" starting linerup is the one that winds. Surely BF uses situational lineups depending upon the matchups a diven foe possesses?




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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    My idea of the "ideal" starting linerup is the one that winds. Surely BF uses situational lineups depending upon the matchups a diven foe possesses?
    He has in the past, and I suspect he started Cole against UNI because she is one of the team's best perimeter defenders. The lineup in the OP might be a defensive liability -- can HC chase an offensive perimeter player around in m2m defense?



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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    With the post talent we have for the next three years, we need to drop this three guard stuff and go to a traditional G-G-F-F-C lineup. Once Prins is back to 100% and maybe already, the lineup should be

    PG Mansfield
    SG Bolte
    SF Christofferson
    PF Poppens
    C Prins

    Or switch Prins and Poppens when necessary. Zimmerman backs up Prins and Poppens, Schroll backs up Hallie, Harris backs up Bolte, Cole backs up Mansfield. That gives us the best chance for winning this year and the next two.

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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    if they start finishing better around the rim I think Bill does this.


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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    The "three guard lineup" is semantics, imo. As long as I've been around the game I don't know that I've seen many lineups that have featured 3 post players. In reality, the shooting guard (2) and small forward (3) are both wings that require a similar skill set. Ditto for the power forward (4) and center (5). Beyond that, the position you play is largely determined by who you can defend.




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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    Bolte is our wing, and that is the three. She is our best player, and her size let's her play that spot. The Big 12 has some very athletic 3s, so, the only other option I see at that position is Schroll. BF has said you can't play in the Big 12 without a good wing. Most bigs get worn out at playing 30+ minutes consistently, also see more foul trouble issues, so I like that we have depth at that position. Not to mention, have some fresher legs for our bangers down the stretch for the bunnies and threes. Though can't believe HC went 39 minutes as a freshman. She is just a studette! I also like that we have several options in the post and perimeter for mixing up defenses.

    I'm excited this year, but can you imagine this team the next few years? Bolte will be a huge loss, but with a stellar 2011 class, the next few years look very bright!

    As much as I like Pop and HC, I would like to see Prins back in the starting spot, though I'm not the coach. She is a great scorer and her height causes match-up issues. I've also notice when she is the game with Pop or HC, it seems to open up our offense more, and also she will draw the other team's main big, opening up Pop or HC for easier rebounding and put backs. I actually might lean toward Prins and HC being my starters, and having Pop as that energy off the bench. The next few games should be more telling though.



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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedredbird View Post
    As much as I like Pop and HC, I would like to see Prins back in the starting spot, though I'm not the coach.
    Once she is 100%, I bet she'll be starting. The play of Pop and HC the next several games will likely determine which one of them will start. No matter what, all three will see significant playing time.

    I really like having either Pop or HC in the game at any given time. Our post energy level goes way down when they are both off the court.



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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    No - Hallie does not move well enough to be outside as a 3. She would also not be able to defend another team's 3 guard. She is at home as the mobile 4. AP, CP, HC is one solid rotation down low. Add in Big Z, when she is on, that is one of the best lineups in the nation.



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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    Quote Originally Posted by khaal53 View Post
    The "three guard lineup" is semantics, imo. As long as I've been around the game I don't know that I've seen many lineups that have featured 3 post players. In reality, the shooting guard (2) and small forward (3) are both wings that require a similar skill set. Ditto for the power forward (4) and center (5). Beyond that, the position you play is largely determined by who you can defend.
    I mostly agree with this; think you are right that the boundaries between 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 are fluid. And so will be the starting lineups, I think; these will depend at least in part on defensive matchups, as you note. Biggest need right now is to find a backup point guard, IMHO, because Lauren will get tired once the Big 12 season starts and the folks she must guard test her. This is not to criticize her in any way, but the point guard gets a heck of a lot of pressure.



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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    With the post talent we have for the next three years, we need to drop this three guard stuff and go to a traditional G-G-F-F-C lineup. Once Prins is back to 100% and maybe already, the lineup should be

    PG Mansfield
    SG Bolte
    SF Christofferson
    PF Poppens
    C Prins

    Or switch Prins and Poppens when necessary. Zimmerman backs up Prins and Poppens, Schroll backs up Hallie, Harris backs up Bolte, Cole backs up Mansfield. That gives us the best chance for winning this year and the next two.

    yea.

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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    I wasn't aware that Prins was hurt???

    Have a friend on the practice squad and he said that Hallie, simply out hustles and outplays Prins, therefore got the start over her.



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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcyfan82 View Post
    I wasn't aware that Prins was hurt???
    She missed the first three weeks of practice with pneumonia.



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    Re: Ideal starting lineup

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedredbird View Post

    As much as I like Pop and HC, I would like to see Prins back in the starting spot
    Prins is and will be our starting post player. I have zero doubt about that. I would disagree with some that don't think Big C can move. What I've seen so far is that she moves better than any of our existing post players. She is more of a forward in my eyes than a post.

    I think we are seeing Bill experiment to see what groups work together best, to find the chemistry that is going to win. What we have seen is that the team buys into the defensive plan. If they learn to clamp down earlier in the game things could be very interesting. I believe the post rotation is becoming clearer. Prins is the most consistent, Pop is currently almost a "liability" as you have to counter her aggressiveness with the fouls, turnovers, and missed free throws. Personally I think she will work through it and is incredibly valuable to our success. Zimm is game to game as she has no consistency in whether she shows up or not. She really is the big question mark and could be critical in the long haul. Big C is the bright star/surprise as she brings an athletic quickness with long reach and the ability to score and rebound. She doesn't have to play close to the basket and has good foot work.

    The tough part of the Twister Sisters is figuring out the guard rotation. I think Loz has the point locked down and its her backup and the shooting guard that remain a mystery until someone steps up to wrest it away.



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