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    Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    Our D has been stout all year. Even in the blowouts, the D inherited many of their problems from the offense and special teams.


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    Re: Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    Simple answer: No. You change OC's and you change the system, which is NOT what ISU needs right now. That and I doubt Wally knows anything about coaching offense in big time college football.


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    Re: Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    I wouldn't say that our defense has been stout. We were pretty good in the red zone again, but gave up a lot of yards.

    That being said, I think we could be pretty stout next year. Cornerbacks and linebackers should be very good, DL looks to be coming around. The safeties will be a major concern, however.



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    Re: Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    To be honest...there is even les talent on the offense compared to the D.

    CPR and staff have a long way to go correcting Chiz/DMac recruiting failures.

    Starting with a QB.


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    Re: Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    I also think we need a real Quarterbacks coach. I don't think that is Hermie's strength.



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    Re: Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    What Wally has done with the D has been just short of amazing and it is hard not to compare that to the O. I know many say we have to wait to get the right players but I think Wally's example is real coaching - what I mean is you make the system fit the players you have not make the players fit the system. TH may have a great system but real coaching is being able to take what you have and make it work.



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    Re: Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    To be successful, we need to average more than 20 points a game from the offense. Whatever it takes.


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    Re: Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    Quote Originally Posted by Palmer View Post
    To be honest...there is even les talent on the offense compared to the D.

    CPR and staff have a long way to go correcting Chiz/DMac recruiting failures.

    Starting with a QB.
    yet we made a bowl last year and were on the brink of another this year.....with those same recruits....i don't see your logic



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    Re: Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    Quote Originally Posted by Palmer View Post
    To be honest...there is even les talent on the offense compared to the D.

    CPR and staff have a long way to go correcting Chiz/DMac recruiting failures.

    Starting with a QB.
    I understand the tongue in cheek comment by the OP. I was thinking on the drive home how we were confident about the offense doing well this year and we had lots of worries on D. Now it seems we can scheme very well for the lack of talent/depth/size in our D, but we don't seem to scheme well with the O.

    I listened to CW on the call in show and the amount or praise being put to Tiller. (I have a few conspiracy theories as to why that was done). And I couldn't believe how quickly we forgot that for every dropped pass out there tonight, there were 2 bad passes made.

    It really makes me worry about next years team, there HAS to be a better option for a QB in our roster.... I love the talent/heart of Tiller, but he doesn't have the arm. Sure his mechanics are better this year than last, BUT his ability to throw is a liability.

    You will not hear me say one bad thing about our defense in the off season.... Wally may be a top 5 DC in college football.

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    Re: Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    lets just hope Wally doesn't retire



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    Re: Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldfinger View Post
    lets just hope Wally doesn't retire
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    Re: Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    You guys need to be more definitive. Does Tiller/AA suck or is it Herman? Half the time its "we don't have the players" and the other half its "fire herman

    Like Mac brown said, if 1 guy is screwing up i replace them, if 3 guys are screwing up I replace you. Right now we don't have the athletes on this team to beat mizzou. I think Herman is less of the problem than the players.

    Gotta get some jims and joes in there



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    Herman=Problem

    I disagree. ISU currently has the same kind of players its always had and probably always will. Steve Loney (by far the best O-coord we've had) could produce potent offenses with marginal talent. I see no evidence that Herman can do this. It is a pie in the sky dream that we can recruit ourselves into making his offense work. Herman needs to adapt and if he cannot ...




    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    You guys need to be more definitive. Does Tiller/AA suck or is it Herman? Half the time its "we don't have the players" and the other half its "fire herman

    Like Mac brown said, if 1 guy is screwing up i replace them, if 3 guys are screwing up I replace you. Right now we don't have the athletes on this team to beat mizzou. I think Herman is less of the problem than the players.

    Gotta get some jims and joes in there



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    Re: Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    You guys need to be more definitive. Does Tiller/AA suck or is it Herman? Half the time its "we don't have the players" and the other half its "fire herman

    Like Mac brown said, if 1 guy is screwing up i replace them, if 3 guys are screwing up I replace you. Right now we don't have the athletes on this team to beat mizzou. I think Herman is less of the problem than the players.

    Gotta get some jims and joes in there

    Please, we could have easlily beaten Missouri last night. Some of you guys can convince yourselves of anything.

    Arnaud had the highest completion percentage EVER in ISU history, fact. Robinson is one of the better running backs we have had, opinion and fact (see stats). We had all of the wide receivers returning and yes there is no great player in the group, but they are not horrible either.

    Get freaking real. Coach That is what you pay a coordinator $200,000 to do. Use the talent you have to make plays. Call plays based on that talent and once again, coach them.



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    Re: Can we turn over offense and special teams to Wally?

    speaker of wide receivers. Are we ever going to see Sedric Johnson play to his physical abilities?



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