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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormin View Post
    You really need some hard evidence. Just "hearsay" is inadmissible IMO.

    Let's say it is true, then the truth will come out eventually and you take the Heisman away from Cam and Auburn forfeits all their games.

    But what if these allegations are all false? And Miss. State just has sour grapes about being jilted. Then a young man's entire career and reputation is ruined over a baseless allegation.

    Sorry. But I refuse to convict an innocent person on hearsay. I want hard evidence. If Cam got cash, then there is a paper trail somewhere.

    And if Auburn didn't pay but Miss. State was planning on paying, then Miss. State should show their own paper trail. Of course, Miss. State would then indict themselves on NCAA infractions as they are then a dirty program.
    Exactly. The author assumes guilt right now and that is wrong. If Auburn feels they have done nothing wrong then they ned to wait until an investigation rules that Newton/newton's dad did indeed take money. ifhe did then all wins will be forfeited.


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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by tazclone View Post
    This is why I dislike the media. This guy is clueless and is making accusations into fact. Wait until the FACTS are out. Right now here is what is out
    1. Newton commits to Auburnon 12-31-10 after a final three of OU, Auburn and MSU
    2. MSU turns in allegations of misconduct to the SEC in January not long after they lost out on Newton. The SEC reviews the claims and the SEC didn't feel the info was credible
    3. MSU turns in more information in June and then the SEC turned the info over to Auburn and the NCAA.
    4. NCAA pursues an investigation a month later.
    IIRC, The SEC immediately asked MSU for more information after the initial allegations, and then didn't hear from them until months later.



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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by intrepid27 View Post
    I'm not saying he is dirty but I notices Chizzle is already publicly stumping his integrety.
    In my 50 years of experience when an individual has to tell me how moral, ethical, or religious he is, that is a huge red flag that they are not what they claim to be. Just saying. FWIW
    That is so true.



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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    Well, the agent who allegedly offered the cash to Mississippi State is being interviewed by the FBI this week apparently. That may shed some light. People are more likely to speak the truth when they are talking to the Feds and could end up in jail for perjury if it can be proven they are lying.



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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    If this is true, the Newtons are screwed either way. If they reported their $200,000 gift, there is evidence and if they didn't than they can be arrested for tax evasion.



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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorCy View Post
    If this is true, the Newtons are screwed either way. If they reported their $200,000 gift, there is evidence and if they didn't than they can be arrested for tax evasion.
    The money was most likely donated to Cam Newton's father's church. I'm not sure how accounting works for churches but I would imagine it's not rare at all for churches to get anonymous donations.



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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormin View Post
    You really need some hard evidence. Just "hearsay" is inadmissible IMO.

    Let's say it is true, then the truth will come out eventually and you take the Heisman away from Cam and Auburn forfeits all their games.

    But what if these allegations are all false? And Miss. State just has sour grapes about being jilted. Then a young man's entire career and reputation is ruined over a baseless allegation.

    Sorry. But I refuse to convict an innocent person on hearsay. I want hard evidence. If Cam got cash, then there is a paper trail somewhere.

    And if Auburn didn't pay but Miss. State was planning on paying, then Miss. State should show their own paper trail. Of course, Miss. State would then indict themselves on NCAA infractions as they are then a dirty program.
    Here is what we do know for sure.....

    1. Cam Newton let his father decide where he was going to school. He has stated this publicly multiple times. Thus Cam Newton's father was acting on his son's behalf during the recruiting process.

    2. Cam Newton's father has publicly admitted that he was using Rogers to help in the recruitment of his son thus Rogers is now acting on behalf of Cam Newton as well.

    3. Rogers is already being investigated by the NFLPA for being involved in very shady practices recruiting players to the sports agent that he works for.

    4. A former teammate of Rogers and a booster for Miss. State blew the whistle to Miss. State about Rogers coming to him to solicit a pay for play scheme on behalf of Cam Newton's father.

    In regards to #4 I have 2 questions... 1) If a guy like Rogers was going to solicit money from Miss. State to get Cam's commitment would he go to the coaching staff, AD, etc... or would he go to a booster who is a former teammate/possible friend who has a loose affiliation with Miss. State? and 2) Since Cam Newton's father has admitted using Rogers service to aid in the recruiting process for his son does this not also mean that Rogers was now acting on behalf of Cam Newton?

    5. Per the NCAA if anyone acting on the behalf of a player solicits money for said player it is a violation of NCAA rules and said player is deemed ineligible at the moment the solicitation for payment is made.

    Per #5.... anyway that you slice it Cam Newton is ineligible. The dots are already connected and a person acting on behalf of Cam Newton per the request of his father who was in charge of Cam's recruitment has already admitted that he solicited money from Miss. State. The NCAA is completely dragging their feet on this but based on NCAA rules and statements made by Rogers, Cecil Newton, the folks at Miss. State, etc.... the NCAA should have everything it needs to declare him ineligible right now. Auburn is completely screwed, Chiz is completely screwed, and Cam Newton is completely screwed regardless of if he even knew what was going on.

    Lesson learned.... Cam may be completely innocent in all of this but because he let his scumbag father act on his behalf who then turned around and let a snakeoil salesman like Rogers act on his behalf as well he will now pay the price.



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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneIce View Post
    Well, the agent who allegedly offered the cash to Mississippi State is being interviewed by the FBI this week apparently. That may shed some light. People are more likely to speak the truth when they are talking to the Feds and could end up in jail for perjury if it can be proven they are lying.
    Exactly. Who cares if they lie to the NCAA? Now when the FBI gets involved, it is a real investigation and it also pushes the NCAA along a little more.


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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78 View Post
    Here is what we do know for sure.....

    1. Cam Newton let his father decide where he was going to school. He has stated this publicly multiple times. Thus Cam Newton's father was acting on his son's behalf during the recruiting process.

    2. Cam Newton's father has publicly admitted that he was using Rogers to help in the recruitment of his son thus Rogers is now acting on behalf of Cam Newton as well.

    3. Rogers is already being investigated by the NFLPA for being involved in very shady practices recruiting players to the sports agent that he works for.

    4. A former teammate of Rogers and a booster for Miss. State blew the whistle to Miss. State about Rogers coming to him to solicit a pay for play scheme on behalf of Cam Newton's father.

    In regards to #4 I have 2 questions... 1) If a guy like Rogers was going to solicit money from Miss. State to get Cam's commitment would he go to the coaching staff, AD, etc... or would he go to a booster who is a former teammate/possible friend who has a loose affiliation with Miss. State? and 2) Since Cam Newton's father has admitted using Rogers service to aid in the recruiting process for his son does this not also mean that Rogers was now acting on behalf of Cam Newton?

    5. Per the NCAA if anyone acting on the behalf of a player solicits money for said player it is a violation of NCAA rules and said player is deemed ineligible at the moment the solicitation for payment is made.

    Per #5.... anyway that you slice it Cam Newton is ineligible. The dots are already connected and a person acting on behalf of Cam Newton per the request of his father who was in charge of Cam's recruitment has already admitted that he solicited money from Miss. State. The NCAA is completely dragging their feet on this but based on NCAA rules and statements made by Rogers, Cecil Newton, the folks at Miss. State, etc.... the NCAA should have everything it needs to declare him ineligible right now. Auburn is completely screwed, Chiz is completely screwed, and Cam Newton is completely screwed regardless of if he even knew what was going on.

    Lesson learned.... Cam may be completely innocent in all of this but because he let his scumbag father act on his behalf who then turned around and let a snakeoil salesman like Rogers act on his behalf as well he will now pay the price.
    One thing you leave out...
    What if Rogers was shopping Newton around without the Newtons knowing? It is very possible that Rogers shopped Newton around and kept the money


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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    The whole point he's making is that the NCAA is setting themselves up for failure here by not acting. There are several possible outcomes as I see it.

    1. There is clear evidence that he did something wrong and he is declared ineligible. This is possible, but probably not likely, since I would have to think something would have happened a long time ago if this was the case.

    2. The accusers admit they're lying and he is cleared. This seems unlikely since they've been singing the same song since December.

    Ok, neither of those seem likely, so here's how I imaging it shaking out - all bad outcomes for the NCAA.

    3. Cam is cleared because there is no hard evidence. New recruits take note - as long as there is no hard evidence you can ask for as much money as you want. Make sure there is nothing in writing and that the recruiters aren't wearing wires.

    4. There is hard evidence that Cam's family solicited money but Cam didn't know about it. Cam is cleared because he wasn't knowledgeable of the situation. New recruits' families take note - make sure that the recruit is not aware of the fact that you're selling your recruit to the highest bidder.

    5. There is no hard evidence of the solicitation or that Cam knew about it, but Cam is suspended anyway because the NCAA believes the accusers or believes he knew about the solicitation. Now the NCAA has sent the message they want - that playing for pay won't be tolerated - but people will scream and shout because it was all hearsay and it's unfair to deem him ineligible with no hard evidence. People are right, but the NCAA did what it had to protect the integrity of the game.

    The writer obviously believes Newton or his family did something unethical. In reality, unless outcome #2 happens, which I personally believe is unlikely, it doesn't really matter whether he's "guilty" or not. Presented with the most likely options (3, 4, & 5) the NCAA seems forced to choose option 5 to protect the integrity of the game.



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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by tazclone View Post
    One thing you leave out...
    What if Rogers was shopping Newton around without the Newtons knowing? It is very possible that Rogers shopped Newton around and kept the money
    Doesn't matter - Rogers was acting in behalf of Newton:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78 View Post
    5. Per the NCAA if anyone acting on the behalf of a player solicits money for said player it is a violation of NCAA rules and said player is deemed ineligible at the moment the solicitation for payment is made.

    Per #5.... anyway that you slice it Cam Newton is ineligible. The dots are already connected and a person acting on behalf of Cam Newton per the request of his father who was in charge of Cam's recruitment has already admitted that he solicited money from Miss. State. The NCAA is completely dragging their feet on this but based on NCAA rules and statements made by Rogers, Cecil Newton, the folks at Miss. State, etc.... the NCAA should have everything it needs to declare him ineligible right now. Auburn is completely screwed, Chiz is completely screwed, and Cam Newton is completely screwed regardless of if he even knew what was going on.

    Lesson learned.... Cam may be completely innocent in all of this but because he let his scumbag father act on his behalf who then turned around and let a snakeoil salesman like Rogers act on his behalf as well he will now pay the price.
    Even if Rogers was "shopping" Newton around unbeknown to him, the Newtons certainly are not denying that Rogers was representing Cam. Therefore, Rogers is acting in behalf of Newton, and as soon as he started asking for cash compensation Newton became ineligible.


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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by tazclone View Post
    One thing you leave out...
    What if Rogers was shopping Newton around without the Newtons knowing? It is very possible that Rogers shopped Newton around and kept the money
    Nothing is left out. The NCAA rules are spelled out very specifically on this. Anyone acting on the behalf of a player that solicits payment is an NCAA violation and the player is ineligible. Cecil Newton was acting on behalf of his son in deciding what school he was going to go to. Cecil Newton used Rogers to approach schools on Cam's behalf during the recruiting process. Thus, Rogers is now acting on behalf of Cam Newton. It doesn't matter if money never changed hands, it doesn't matter if Cam asked for the money himself or not. The solicitation of money by Rogers who was working on Cam's behalf per the request of Cecil Newton constitutes an NCAA violation in which Cam Newton should be declared ineligible.



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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    Doesn't matter - Rogers was acting in behalf of Newton:



    Even if Rogers was "shopping" Newton around unbeknown to him, the Newtons certainly are not denying that Rogers was representing Cam. Therefore, Rogers is acting in behalf of Newton, and as soon as he started asking for cash compensation Newton became ineligible.
    Bingo!!!

    The writer is absolutely correct in his article. There is already enough information present to rule Cam Newton ineligible per NCAA rules but this whole scandal is far from over. Proving a solicitation of money for Cam's commitment will be the easiest thing to prove. Then the attention will turn to the Newton family and Auburn. Now the investigation will be focused on turning up evidence that Auburn paid the Newton family for Cam's commitment. The NCAA already has the Newton personal financial records and the financial records for their church. I am sure the NCAA will start digging around Auburn once Cam is ruled ineligible because there will be strong enough evidence to show that it is highly likely that Auburn paid him to play there. This investigation is going to be going on for a long time.


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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    I would be willing to bet the result of the Alabama-Auburn game determines what direction and at what rate of discovery this story continues.



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    Re: Impact of Cam Newton Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by CyJack13 View Post
    The money was most likely donated to Cam Newton's father's church. I'm not sure how accounting works for churches but I would imagine it's not rare at all for churches to get anonymous donations.
    the NCAA has requested the Church's financial statements and found nothing irregular. My guess is the money was given to his dad instead of to the church.



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