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    2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    I guess it is obvious, but I was just realizing how terrible our 2007 and 2008 basketball signing classes turned out to be. With the exception of CB going pro and JVB and DG being here, we developed nobody.

    It will be interesting to see if any of the guys that sat out last year after transferring make a splash this year. (Like Hamilton at LSU)

    Here's to the future!

    Edit: Add the 2009 class also! Pretty easy to see why Fred went after all of those transfers.



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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    but we are on the right track everyone!!!

    where is that poster? I miss him.


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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    How about this:

    Looking at the recruiting classes from 2002-09 (8 classes) we signed 43 guys, 5.5 per class. Remember there are only 13 scholarships available at a given time.

    Of those 43 guys, 29 At the end of this season how many will have completed all 4 years at ISU?

    2. Rahshon Clark and Diante Garrett. That's 6.9% of freshmen using all 4 years at ISU.

    Anyone still wonder why we haven't been good since 2005?


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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    As a followup, there were 14 guys in that time span that came in as Junior college transfers. Only 7 used up all of their eligibility at ISU.

    Which is saying something when your a juco and have far more limited options and less time when you transfer out.




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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    Maturity wins the game. Thats the reason Kentucky will NEVER win the NCAA title.



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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    Quote Originally Posted by khaal53 View Post
    How about this:

    Looking at the recruiting classes from 2002-09 (8 classes) we signed 44 guys, 5.5 per class. Remember there are only 13 scholarships available at a given time.

    Of those 44 guys, 289At the end of this season how many will have completed all 4 years at ISU?

    2. Rahshon Clark and Diante Garrett. That's 6.9% of freshmen using all 4 years at ISU.

    Anyone still wonder why we haven't been good since 2005?
    This is nuts...seriously. Insane.



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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    Quote Originally Posted by greatshu View Post
    Maturity wins the game. Thats the reason Kentucky will NEVER win the NCAA title.
    Never is a long time. Lets just go with Jon Calipari UK teams will never win a NC.



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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    Quote Originally Posted by khaal53 View Post
    How about this:

    Looking at the recruiting classes from 2002-09 (8 classes) we signed 43 guys, 5.5 per class. Remember there are only 13 scholarships available at a given time.

    Of those 43 guys, 29 At the end of this season how many will have completed all 4 years at ISU?

    2. Rahshon Clark and Diante Garrett. That's 6.9% of freshmen using all 4 years at ISU.

    Anyone still wonder why we haven't been good since 2005?
    Certainly not great numbers, but how far off is that from other programs? Turnover is wide-spread, our problem is that most of it has not been on ISU's terms, including the coaching transitions.



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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    Quote Originally Posted by CYinPA View Post
    Certainly not great numbers, but how far off is that from other programs? Turnover is wide-spread, our problem is that most of it has not been on ISU's terms, including the coaching transitions.
    Yeah, I'm not interested in getting into the blame game with it, there are a number of factors, some you already mentioned.

    But this list spans across the tenure of three head coaches, some guys were kicked off, some left due to the coaching changes, some left because of spats with a coach, some went to the NBA (or tried to anyway).

    I would think comparing it to other schools it would still be a pititful number. Only having 2 guys completing their eligibility in a span of 8 recruiting classes is pathetic. There should be at least two 4 year guys every season.




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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    Stability is probably the most important thing in college sports. A team of mediocre recruits that are 4th and 5th year seniors will outplay a team of 4 and 5 star freshmen a lot of the time.



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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    Quote Originally Posted by khaal53 View Post
    Yeah, I'm not interested in getting into the blame game with it, there are a number of factors, some you already mentioned.

    But this list spans across the tenure of three head coaches, some guys were kicked off, some left due to the coaching changes, some left because of spats with a coach, some went to the NBA (or tried to anyway).

    I would think comparing it to other schools it would still be a pititful number. Only having 2 guys completing their eligibility in a span of 8 recruiting classes is pathetic. There should be at least two 4 year guys every season.
    I would be interested in knowing how many schools have two four year guys every year. From what I have seen, it cannot be that many.
    There are several ways to win, and I think it is going to be awhile for ISU to win by having 2 four-year guys every year. Not too mention the fact it is almost needed in the Big 12 that your best players have the option of leaving early.


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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    Quote Originally Posted by CYinPA View Post
    I would be interested in knowing how many schools have two four year guys every year. From what I have seen, it cannot be that many.
    There are several ways to win, and I think it is going to be awhile for ISU to win by having 2 four-year guys every year. Not too mention the fact it is almost needed in the Big 12 that your best players have the option of leaving early.
    I would think that in the non-power conferences, it is more common to have 4 year players. Take UNI or Wichita State. Those team have been successful competing with the big names. They have done so by having stability of 3rd, 4th, and 5th year guys playing. I would think it is relatively common to see MVC teams have 4 years players.


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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    Quote Originally Posted by CyinCo View Post
    I would think that in the non-power conferences, it is more common to have 4 year players. Take UNI or Wichita State. Those team have been successful competing with the big names. They have done so by having stability of 3rd, 4th, and 5th year guys playing. I would think it is relatively common to see MVC teams have 4 years players.
    Great point, I remember Creighton a few years back had 5 fifth year seniors. None were superstars but all were very solid role players.



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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    Quote Originally Posted by CyinCo View Post
    I would think that in the non-power conferences, it is more common to have 4 year players. Take UNI or Wichita State. Those team have been successful competing with the big names. They have done so by having stability of 3rd, 4th, and 5th year guys playing. I would think it is relatively common to see MVC teams have 4 years players.
    Well, if ISU was in the MVC, I would probably consider that to be relevant- although that was suppose to be an appeal of McD's...hmm.



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    Re: 2007, 2008 class...Yikes!

    Yeah, so I went ahead and took this one or two steps further...

    https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...MM&hl=en#gid=0




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