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    My issue with the last play

    I think the play call was great. Ballsy move by the coaches playing to win.

    Here is my main issue. Why, especially in college, do teams have a kicker as the holder? I have never understood this. ISU could have Bueker or Capello as the holder, which most likely would have resulted in an ISU win.

    Keep in mind, this isn't really a jab at our coaches specifically, more a question of the general philosophy of having a punter as the holder. I would think you would want someone there who presents the defense with more of a threat on the fake.



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    Re: My issue with the last play

    Interesting question. I don't know.


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    Re: My issue with the last play

    I was kind of wondering that myself. If they hold all the time than it wouldn't be red flag.



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    Re: My issue with the last play

    Quote Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0 View Post
    I think the play call was great. Ballsy move by the coaches playing to win.

    Here is my main issue. Why, especially in college, do teams have a kicker as the holder? I have never understood this. ISU could have Bueker or Capello as the holder, which most likely would have resulted in an ISU win.

    Keep in mind, this isn't really a jab at our coaches specifically, more a question of the general philosophy of having a punter as the holder. I would think you would want someone there who presents the defense with more of a threat on the fake.
    So that way the back up QBs get more practice time with the offense, and the holder gets more practice time with the kicker.


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    Re: My issue with the last play

    Bueker was the holder last year was he not? What changed for this year? I agree with you snowcraig although I don't really care if it is a junior high player, that is an easy throw that needs to be made. It wasn't just a bad throw, it was an atrocious throw. But in the end, I'm not mad. Great game, great call, poor execution. It happens



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    Re: My issue with the last play

    Quote Originally Posted by HiltonMagic View Post
    So that way the back up QBs get more practice time with the offense, and the holder gets more practice time with the kicker.
    I dont think that is it. Bueker was the holder last year and let's be honest, we don't really need to worry about him getting practice with the offense right now.



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    Re: My issue with the last play

    Punters handle long snaps every day. Its about reps. I don't think a lot of have the appreciation they should for a holder. Having said all that, I also like QBs as holders.


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    Re: My issue with the last play

    With a QB as the holder, you defend that play. No way you expect a PUNTER to pass the ball.

    And he didn't ...



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    Re: My issue with the last play

    I'm right with you. My friend was arguing that we should have had Arnaud holding, I disagreed because that would immediately set red flags off in Nebraska's minds. However I agreed that maybe we should have a backup holding.

    Maybe Tiller, that way he can get all the play time that the fans want.



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    Re: My issue with the last play

    Yeah, it's because of chemistry with the snappers.


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    Re: My issue with the last play

    snowcraig2.0-It's a question I hope the staff is asking itself because it makes waaay more sense to use a back up qb as a holder. We've probably got 5 or 6 qb's on the team and we don't need to be getting all of them ready to run the offense on game day. Years ago the starting qb was always was the holder, then it became a back up qb, and now most teams use a punter, and it makes no sense. However some teams use a back up qb, Oklahoma for one.



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    Re: My issue with the last play

    Quote Originally Posted by Blandboy View Post
    With a QB as the holder, you defend that play. No way you expect a PUNTER to pass the ball.

    And he didn't ...
    If I'm a coach my holder will always be a backup QB. Even if we fake it once out of a million times with him holding it.



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    Re: My issue with the last play

    I always thought it was a good idea to have a QB as a holder, not necessarily just for fakes but also for botched snaps and/or placements that can happen even with good players.



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    Re: My issue with the last play

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones85' View Post
    Bueker was the holder last year
    It was Derec Schmidgall.



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    Re: My issue with the last play

    Because the Qbs are busy running the scout team and getting better at QB. What does the back up punter have to besides punt the ball? Doing it this way the kickers can go do their thing and the QBs can do theirs. IMO the PK needs to practice with the same holder he works with in games.


    But this play was drawn up for this game, so maybe having a QB as holder the whole game could have been an option.


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