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    Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    How do you feel about it?


    JOE SHARKEY, On Tuesday November 2, 2010, 1:40 am EDT
    HAVING been taught by nuns in grade school and later going through military boot camp, I have always disliked uniformed authorities shouting at me. So I was unhappy last week when some security screeners at O’Hare International Airport in Chicago started yelling.
    “Opt out! We got an opt out!” one bellowed about me in a tone that people in my desert neighborhood in Tucson usually reserve for declaring, “Rattlesnake!”
    Other screeners took up the “Opt out!” shout. I was marched from the metal detector lane to one of those nearby whole-body imagers, ordered to take everything out of my pockets, remove my belt and hold my possessions up high. Then I was required to stand still while I received a rough pat-down by a man whose résumé, I suspected, included experience at a state prison.
    “Hold your pants up!” he ordered me.
    What did I do to deserve this? Well, as I approached the checkpoints, I had two choices. One was a familiar lane with the metal detector, so I put my bag on that. To my right was a separate lane dominated with what the Transportation Security Administration initially called “whole-body imagers” but has now labeled “advanced imaging technology” units. Critics, of course, call them strip-search machines.
    I don’t like these things, and not just because of privacy concerns or because of what some critics have asserted are radiation safety issues with some of the machines that use X-ray technology.
    No, I don’t like the fact that I have to remove every item from every pocket, including my wallet and things as trivial as a Kleenex. You then strike a pose inside with your hands submissively held above your head, like some desperado cornered by the sheriff in a Western movie, while the see-through-clothes machine makes an image of your body.
    The T.S.A.’s position is that anyone can “opt out” of a body scan for reasons of privacy or whatever, but will then be subjected to a thorough physical pat-down and careful search of belongings.
    In my case, I had been routinely using a normal metal detector checkpoint, when I was ordered to switch lanes and instead go to one of the new machines. I said I would prefer not to, given that my carry-on bag, laptop and shoes were already trundling along the regular machine’s conveyor belt, out of sight. That’s when the shouting started.
    As of Monday afternoon, the agency had not responded to several requests for comment on this. Last week, the agency did tell me that there were 317 of the advanced imaging technology machines now in use at 65 airports around the country.
    About 500 should be online by the end of the year, the agency said, and another 500 are expected to be installed next year. Ultimately, the agency plans to have the new machines replace metal detectors at all of the roughly 2,000 airport checkpoints.
    Meanwhile, both passengers and security screeners are making accommodations, and I acknowledge, change is a challenge. But hey, security folks, could we please start communicating better about the procedures, preferably without shouting or insulting our intelligence?
    Bruce Delahorne, a marketing executive who flies frequently, said he was also recently going through a standard metal detector at O’Hare — no body imager in sight — when the old rules abruptly changed.
    Mr. Delahorne said: “They had one of the T.S.A. staff announcing loudly: ‘Take everything out of your pockets. If you have a wallet, take it out. A handkerchief, out.’ I asked the guy, ‘Can you explain the reason for the new process?’ He said there was nothing new. ‘We have always done this.’ ”
    Well, no they haven’t, as you and I and Mr. Delahorne all know. Mr. Delahorne said he thought, “O.K., I get it. This guy is reading from the card, not talking to me.”
    So, Mr. Delahorne said, “I did what they told me to. But on the other side of the metal detector, I said to another screener, ‘Could you explain to me why the procedure is now different at this airport, like having to remove a wallet that never set off the metal detector?’ And he said, ‘No, no. The process has always been the same, at every airport.’ ”
    Mr. Delahorne said he was perfectly willing to comply with all procedures to ensure good security. He just wondered whether some of them were being made up on the spot. “For me,” he said, “the issue is, who’s in charge here and what are the rules?”

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    Re: Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    If I can get from point A to point B without fear, then I am for it.



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    Re: Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    When I travel to the DC area in December, I'm thinking of opting out of the full-body scan and wearing a kilt with no underwear, so when they give me my pat down, they'll get a surprise. Maybe I'll even moan a little bit just to make it interesting.



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    Re: Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    Quote Originally Posted by SCNCY View Post
    If I can get from point A to point B without fear, then I am for it.
    I agree with this, but as I think part of the article was explaining, which is where my issues are with this. Is the attitude of the screeners. Yes, I know they have a job to do, I know it probably sucks, but for those of us who don't travel every day, we aren't used to what's happening when we get in to those lines. It would be nice if they would treat us like intelligent people, as opposed to cattle on the way to slaughter.



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    Re: Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    I know this guy got the short end of the stick, but if you think about what these people have to do, you want them to take their job seriously. Not to mention the volume of people coming through that airport.



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    Re: Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    The problem is that TSA employees are uneducated grunts who would be cooking potato oles at Taco Johns or stocking shelves at Target if not for their TSA gig. There's a right way to do the job, but stupid is as stupid does and if those people weren't stupid, they'd have better jobs.



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    Re: Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    Quote Originally Posted by HawkFanISUalum View Post
    When I travel to the DC area in December, I'm thinking of opting out of the full-body scan and wearing a kilt with no underwear, so when they give me my pat down, they'll get a surprise. Maybe I'll even moan a little bit just to make it interesting.
    You saucy guy.


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    Re: Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan94 View Post
    I agree with this, but as I think part of the article was explaining, which is where my issues are with this. Is the attitude of the screeners. Yes, I know they have a job to do, I know it probably sucks, but for those of us who don't travel every day, we aren't used to what's happening when we get in to those lines. It would be nice if they would treat us like intelligent people, as opposed to cattle on the way to slaughter.
    We all get frustrated (as they do in their thankless job) but if we don't work with them, this may become reality.


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    Re: Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    Quote Originally Posted by Senolcyc View Post
    The problem is that TSA employees are uneducated grunts who would be cooking potato oles at Taco Johns or stocking shelves at Target if not for their TSA gig. There's a right way to do the job, but stupid is as stupid does and if those people weren't stupid, they'd have better jobs.
    Actually several have college degrees just like the rest of us.

    My guess is security was turned up last week due to all the bad packages being mailed from Yemen.

    The new xray machines are much more powerful. I would thinkj there are effects if you travel quite a bit. Dress as Iron Man and see what they do.


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    Re: Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Actually several have college degrees just like the rest of us.

    My guess is security was turned up last week due to all the bad packages being mailed from Yemen.

    The new xray machines are much more powerful. I would thinkj there are effects if you travel quite a bit. Dress as Iron Man and see what they do.
    Probably so. But at the end of the day, they are still glorified mall cops. Should be a job handled by real law enforcement professionals.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Senolcyc View Post
    Probably so. But at the end of the day, they are still glorified mall cops. Should be a job handled by real law enforcement professionals.
    Paul Blart they may be.

    We could not afford real cop pensions.


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    Re: Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    Quote Originally Posted by SCNCY View Post
    If I can get from point A to point B without fear, then I am for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan94 View Post
    I agree with this, but as I think part of the article was explaining, which is where my issues are with this. Is the attitude of the screeners. Yes, I know they have a job to do, I know it probably sucks, but for those of us who don't travel every day, we aren't used to what's happening when we get in to those lines. It would be nice if they would treat us like intelligent people, as opposed to cattle on the way to slaughter.
    I feel sorry for both of you. So willing to give up freedom for security it is really quite sad.

    Bottom line is this methodology is invasive and really a violation of a person rights. It also is likely unconstitutional the fifth protects us against unreasonable search and seizure and this is certainly unreasonable in many peoples' eyes.



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    Re: Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyeah View Post
    I feel sorry for both of you. So willing to give up freedom for security it is really quite sad.

    Bottom line is this methodology is invasive and really a violation of a person rights. It also is likely unconstitutional the fifth protects us against unreasonable search and seizure and this is certainly unreasonable in many peoples' eyes.
    Is it unreasonable to be safe? I know I have alternatives such as driving and taking a train. I havent flown in a while and have not encountered these machines, but when I do, I personally have no problem with it.



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    Re: Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    Quote Originally Posted by SCNCY View Post
    If I can get from point A to point B without fear, then I am for it.
    Agreed.

    Just play by the rules, folks. It ain't that hard.



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    Re: Refusing Full Body Scans at Airports?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyeah View Post
    I feel sorry for both of you. So willing to give up freedom for security it is really quite sad.

    Bottom line is this methodology is invasive and really a violation of a person rights. It also is likely unconstitutional the fifth protects us against unreasonable search and seizure and this is certainly unreasonable in many peoples' eyes.
    Flying is not a right, so the searches do not fall under any constitutional protection. Better to be safe.



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