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    Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"


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    Re: Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"

    Quote Originally Posted by joepublic View Post
    I'm willing to admit that going into Iraq was either a mistake, or that the plan was not thought out to include the kind of problems that we have had. However, the one thing I can stick with Bush about is that we are there now, and leaving as is, is not an option.

    Our enemies already see the Democrats (and some Republicans) bailing out, and they see that as weakness. Our allies see that as weakness too. We need to have the strength of will to overcome the obstacles. If everyone really believed that we would be around to finish the job, we would enjoy much more world wide support, support from the Iraqi people, and it would send a message to our enemies as well.



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    Re: Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"

    It kind of feels like it when you add in that Vietnam was so fresh in the memories of the Carter years.

    The economy is much better now though.



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    Re: Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    I'm willing to admit that going into Iraq was either a mistake, or that the plan was not thought out to include the kind of problems that we have had. However, the one thing I can stick with Bush about is that we are there now, and leaving as is, is not an option.

    Our enemies already see the Democrats (and some Republicans) bailing out, and they see that as weakness. Our allies see that as weakness too. We need to have the strength of will to overcome the obstacles. If everyone really believed that we would be around to finish the job, we would enjoy much more world wide support, support from the Iraqi people, and it would send a message to our enemies as well.
    So, our enemies would see us pulling out of Iraq as a weakness. Who are our enemies? Al Queda for sure. What do they do if we pull out of Iraq? They see us as weak. Does that mean they will try to terrorize us more? If we are strong, will they terrorize us less? No, they want to kill us either way. Just acting strong isn't going to sway them. Iraq has been its own disaster, but its also caused problems fighting Al Quada elsewhere.

    The problem I saw with Iraq, is how many successful revolutions have started because another country started the revolution for them?

    I think the consequences of a phased withdrawel are being way overblown. Part of the reason I think that is the distrust I have in the administration after their handling of the war. Its kind of tough to take trust that they know what they are doing now. I do think we need to give them to September, but I don't think it will work.



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    Re: Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"

    Quote Originally Posted by clone52 View Post
    So, our enemies would see us pulling out of Iraq as a weakness. Who are our enemies? Al Queda for sure. What do they do if we pull out of Iraq? They see us as weak. Does that mean they will try to terrorize us more? If we are strong, will they terrorize us less? No, they want to kill us either way. Just acting strong isn't going to sway them. Iraq has been its own disaster, but its also caused problems fighting Al Quada elsewhere.

    The problem I saw with Iraq, is how many successful revolutions have started because another country started the revolution for them?

    I think the consequences of a phased withdrawel are being way overblown. Part of the reason I think that is the distrust I have in the administration after their handling of the war. Its kind of tough to take trust that they know what they are doing now. I do think we need to give them to September, but I don't think it will work.
    Ok, we will see. The neat part about this is that liberals have painted themselves into a corner trying to pin it all on the other side of the aisle. Just wait and see, if the democrats follow through on their promises, that place and surrounding areas will go to h*ll. I honestly think that if they control both congress and the white house, we still won't see a withdrawel, because they know this.



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    Re: Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"

    Supposedly the sleeper cells of Al Queda will be in our country, Canada, Gereat Briatain, and Germany this summer. Summer is over 21 Sep. If they attack us again and cause an impact, I suspect we will stay in Iraq. The rally war cry will carry the day at that point.


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    Re: Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"

    Why stay in Iraq when Al Quaida is rebuilding on the Afgan/Pakistan border? Whatever happened to our missions there if the media can find Al Quida and out millitary cant?



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    Re: Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"

    Bin Laden is winning!!!!

    Whenever Bush is in trouble, remember last election when Bin Laden issued a threat and that sealed victory for Bush,and now when the pressure is on to end the war, another threat.

    coincidence???.

    Bin laden spent ~$750,000.00 for the attack

    We have spent ~$750,000,000 on the war of terrorist, who is winning?

    Bin laden knows that he can not beat the U.S. in conventional warfare, but can bleed us monetarily.

    China now owns the U.S. due to all the money being borrowed from them to support the war and tax cuts.

    Please do not critisize the the spelling or grammar, but just think about the message



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    Re: Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"

    We are in Iraq to resecure bagdad. Wow, is that a tough task.


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    Re: Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    If everyone really believed that we would be around to finish the job, we would enjoy much more world wide support, support from the Iraqi people, and it would send a message to our enemies as well.
    Highly doubtful.

    See link:

    Pew Global Attitudes Project: America’s Image in the World: Findings from the Pew Global Attitudes Project



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    Re: Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"

    Well, at least that proves that there is ignorance world-wide, instead of just here. I'll stand by what I said. Peace through strength has worked a heck of a lot better throughout history, than sticking your head in the sand.



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    Re: Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    Ok, we will see. The neat part about this is that liberals have painted themselves into a corner trying to pin it all on the other side of the aisle.
    Please don't equate liberals with the Democrats in Congress. As someone who admittedly leans to the left I've been very disappointed with the Democrats. I wrote angry letters to Democratic Senators when they voted in support of invading Iraq and in favor of the Patriot Act. Now when public opinion has shifted their suddenly against the presence of troops in Iraq. I would love to have a Democratic Party that stood for liberal ideals instead of pandering to big business and wealthy constituents in order to raise enough money to get re-elected.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CloneFan65 View Post
    Please don't equate liberals with the Democrats in Congress. As someone who admittedly leans to the left I've been very disappointed with the Democrats. I wrote angry letters to Democratic Senators when they voted in support of invading Iraq and in favor of the Patriot Act. Now when public opinion has shifted their suddenly against the presence of troops in Iraq. I would love to have a Democratic Party that stood for liberal ideals instead of pandering to big business and wealthy constituents in order to raise enough money to get re-elected.
    As a conservative, who has been equated with republicans, I can respect that.



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    Re: Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"

    Quote Originally Posted by cybsball20 View Post
    Why stay in Iraq when Al Quaida is rebuilding on the Afgan/Pakistan border? Whatever happened to our missions there if the media can find Al Quida and out millitary cant?
    The media doesn't find them. They find the media. Here's an article with an Afgan governor that seems pretty unbiased. If you go to one of the last questions on the third page, his answers supports what I have been saying. Afghan governor on resurgent Taliban - Newsweek: World News - MSNBC.com



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    Re: Jimmy Carter's "malaise" and Bush's "war fatigue"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Bin Laden is winning!!!!

    Whenever Bush is in trouble, remember last election when Bin Laden issued a threat and that sealed victory for Bush,and now when the pressure is on to end the war, another threat.

    coincidence???.

    Bin laden spent ~$750,000.00 for the attack

    We have spent ~$750,000,000 on the war of terrorist, who is winning?

    Bin laden knows that he can not beat the U.S. in conventional warfare, but can bleed us monetarily.

    China now owns the U.S. due to all the money being borrowed from them to support the war and tax cuts.

    Please do not critisize the the spelling or grammar, but just think about the message

    Where do you get your figures? Don't we spend $750 million in a few weeks?


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