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    Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    Both are optimistic, high-energy guys. McCarney had some success, but not on a consistent basis. Will Rhoads be more consistent than McCarney? And if so, why?

    I was a big fan of McCarney, but he kept breaking my heart (2004 and 2005). So after last season's success, I tried to keep my enthusiasm under wraps. Does Rhoads have some quality lacking in McCarney that gives us additional hope for the future?



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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneCurt View Post
    Both are optimistic, high-energy guys. McCarney had some success, but not on a consistent basis. Will Rhoads be more consistent than McCarney? And if so, why?

    I was a big fan of McCarney, but he kept breaking my heart (2004 and 2005). So after last season's success, I tried to keep my enthusiasm under wraps. Does Rhoads have some quality lacking in McCarney that gives us additional hope for the future?
    I've noticed two things;

    1. There is a limit to PR's "nice guy", he's less nice than DMC more often

    2. It's obvious that PR has a better eye for coordinators and assistants

    Mac was good for ISU; CPR is better and will prove it (imo he already has)


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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    Quote Originally Posted by weR138 View Post
    I've noticed two things;

    1. There is a limit to PR's "nice guy", he's less nice than DMC more often

    2. It's obvious that PR has a better eye for coordinators and assistants

    Mac was good for ISU; CPR is better and will prove it (imo he already has)
    Wait a second, wasn't CPR one of DMC's assistants?!? What are you trying to say?!?!



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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneCurt View Post
    Both are optimistic, high-energy guys. McCarney had some success, but not on a consistent basis. Will Rhoads be more consistent than McCarney? And if so, why?

    I was a big fan of McCarney, but he kept breaking my heart (2004 and 2005). So after last season's success, I tried to keep my enthusiasm under wraps. Does Rhoads have some quality lacking in McCarney that gives us additional hope for the future?
    I think CPR will have more success in a W-L sense than Mac did. It's a hard comparison to make however if you're looking at it in a "big picture" sense. Even though we were 3-9, 2-10, and I think 4-8 the years before CPR arrived, the program still had a lot more going for it than it did when Mac took over.



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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    Quote Originally Posted by RayShimley View Post
    Wait a second, wasn't CPR one of DMC's assistants?!? What are you trying to say?!?!
    Rep (gotta spread it around)


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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    I'd say the consistency so far is that Rhoads has won the games we're supposed to win and lost games we were supposed to lose, with some upsets sprinkled in. I think the winning the games we're supposed to win is the big key. Too many time Mac lost to inferior teams and didn't have many upsets to balance it out. If Rhoads continues to win the games we're supposed to win, eventually we'll get good enough that there will be more and more games we're supposed to win every year, and if we keep winning those "should win" games, our win total will increase. Does that make sense at all? It does in my head, but after re-reading, it may confuse people.



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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    Quote Originally Posted by MadCy View Post
    I think CPR will have more success in a W-L sense than Mac did. It's a hard comparison to make however if you're looking at it in a "big picture" sense. Even though we were 3-9, 2-10, and I think 4-8 the years before CPR arrived, the program still had a lot more going for it than it did when Mac took over.
    I agree to a point but the notion that DMC started at zero is false. Now Walden, starting after Duncan and Criner that was less than zero.


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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    Mac responded to every question with, "No doubt about it..."



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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneCurt View Post
    Both are optimistic, high-energy guys. McCarney had some success, but not on a consistent basis. Will Rhoads be more consistent than McCarney? And if so, why?

    I was a big fan of McCarney, but he kept breaking my heart (2004 and 2005). So after last season's success, I tried to keep my enthusiasm under wraps. Does Rhoads have some quality lacking in McCarney that gives us additional hope for the future?
    Too early to tell, in my opinion (but I do like the direction this program is heading).

    The one team a Rhoads' coached team should have beat both years is Kansas State.

    I think the same thing can be said for KU last year. Hopefully the Cyclones can remedy that situation this year.

    But so far, I think Rhoads has built some credibility points in winning the games ISU is supposed to, and coming up with at least one upset each year.

    McCarney's teams, bless them, were pretty schizophrenic. For example, they would beat Iowa, but then lose the next week to an inferior opponent the next. Hopefully Rhoads' team this year won't spoil a huge Texas win with a loss to Kansas.

    Also, McCarney's teams had, unfortunately, the unique ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, i.e., the Mizzou and Kansas games that would have given ISU the Big 12 North title.


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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    Quote Originally Posted by MadCy View Post
    I think CPR will have more success in a W-L sense than Mac did. It's a hard comparison to make however if you're looking at it in a "big picture" sense. Even though we were 3-9, 2-10, and I think 4-8 the years before CPR arrived, the program still had a lot more going for it than it did when Mac took over.
    I agree the Chiz did leave CPR with more players than the other guy named Jim left Mac.



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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    Quote Originally Posted by weR138 View Post
    I agree to a point but the notion that DMC started at zero is false. Now Walden, starting after Duncan and Criner that was less than zero.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyforce View Post
    I agree the Chiz did leave CPR with more players than the other guy named Jim left Mac.
    And I would agree with weR138 that Walden left Mac more players than what Criner and Duncan left for Walden (namely less scholarship players for breaking an NCAA rule).



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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

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    Too early to tell, in my opinion (but I do like the direction this program is heading).
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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    One deserves to be a head coach and one does not.



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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    I see some differences even though they are more the same than different. Both are motivators, both are emotional. But, I think that Rhoads has more of a strategy behind him. He's smarter. He put more thought into his assistant hires. He definitely puts more thought into his recruiting decisions. I just think that there's a lot more planning going on with this staff.



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    Re: Comparing McCarney and Rhoads

    I love DMac, and he built this program up from almost nothing. He is a passionate Coach. What I think that Paul brings to the table is that passion with a bit more focus and perspective. Paul has been around the country and built a great reputation. He is able to attract great Coaches here. DMac was at Wisconsin and was in the Fry lineage of Coaches. Paul has been in the Big East and SEC where he had success and got to observe a ton. This I think helps him see past the short sightedness of ISU's detractors, and keep the eye on the prize.

    As far as gameday, he is a much better Coach IMO. I am not going to say anything negative about Dan though. I think Paul is a very good Gameday Coach. Knows when to gamble.


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