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    Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    NFL praises players for clean play in Week 7 - ESPN

    So, the first weekend of games since the "crackdown" is nearly complete, with nary an incident. I watched several hours of football yesterday, and it appeared that they weren't in fact playing two-hand touch. What gives? All those players/media types/message board posters claimed that the new harsher penalties would ruin the game, and that the NFL was overreacting. Well, the game seemed fine this weekend. Perhaps they were the ones who were overreacting?


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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    It's still stupid. This is football. If you aren't willing to take the risk, don't play. It's football and people get hurt. They always have and always will unless we go to flag football which could happen in the next 15-20 years at this rate. Will it ruin the game? Probably not, but it will certainly change how people play and these rules will continue to help offenses until it is basically a shoot out. Forgive me for liking defensive football games. If you don't think the rules being made change the complection of the game, then you are kidding yourself. A guy like Ray Lewis won't be Ray Lewis. Same with someone like Rodney Harrison or James Harrison or Troy Polumalu. Can they adjust? Sure they can, I won't argue that, but it becomes less enjoyable for me to watch a bunch of attemted leg tackles and watching DB and LBers having to pull up and sometimes allow catches to be made over the middle of the field.


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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    It's still stupid. This is football. If you aren't willing to take the risk, don't play. It's football and people get hurt. They always have and always will unless we go to flag football which could happen in the next 15-20 years at this rate. Will it ruin the game? Probably not, but it will certainly change how people play and these rules will continue to help offenses until it is basically a shoot out. Forgive me for liking defensive football games. If you don't think the rules being made change the complection of the game, then you are kidding yourself. A guy like Ray Lewis won't be Ray Lewis. Same with someone like Rodney Harrison or James Harrison or Troy Polumalu. Can they adjust? Sure they can, I won't argue that, but it becomes less enjoyable for me to watch a bunch of attemted leg tackles and watching DB and LBers having to pull up and sometimes allow catches to be made over the middle of the field.
    of course it will change things, but that's exactly what the NFL wants. I don't think anyone is arguing that this new enforcement isn't going to change the way the game is played. Quite the opposite. It's supposed to change things.

    And as far as offense is concerned, the league has been giving offenses advantages for some time now. This is nothing new. They do it, because that's where their money is made. Shootouts are exciting. They draw ratings. Defensive struggles, while entertaining to hardcore football fans, (myself included) are generally pretty boring to the casual audience. It doesn't matter if it's fair. It doesn't have to be fair.


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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    if you are athletic enough to play in the NFL, you are athletic enough to turn your damn shoulder when you are hitting someone. Incidental contact is one thing, but leading with the helmet intentionally has no place in the game. If you are really a good football player, you don't need to rely on your helmet to add force to your tackles.



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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused View Post
    if you are athletic enough to play in the NFL, you are athletic enough to turn your damn shoulder when you are hitting someone. Incidental contact is one thing, but leading with the helmet intentionally has no place in the game. If you are really a good football player, you don't need to rely on your helmet to add force to your tackles.

    You are correct. A proper tackle is harder and more physical than leading with the top of the head. All of the ******* and moaning by the players last week was pathetic. Do it right, morons.



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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    This was the highest scoring weekend in over 20 years.



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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by Rural View Post
    This was the highest scoring weekend in over 20 years.
    That's weird, because league wide, completion percentage was down and average yards per pass were the same. Interception percentage increased. There were 14 more turnovers that week than in an average week, though, and turnovers tend to lead to points. Maybe it was the increased turnovers and the helmet-to-helmet thing was unrelated...

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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    Maybe the NFL needs to do what NASCAR did and redesign the outfits. Make them less areo dynamic and slow the players down. A big spoiler on the helmets might help or maybe make them all wear the blow-up sumo suits.


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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    It's still stupid. This is football. If you aren't willing to take the risk, don't play. It's football and people get hurt. They always have and always will unless we go to flag football which could happen in the next 15-20 years at this rate. Will it ruin the game? Probably not, but it will certainly change how people play and these rules will continue to help offenses until it is basically a shoot out. Forgive me for liking defensive football games. If you don't think the rules being made change the complection of the game, then you are kidding yourself. A guy like Ray Lewis won't be Ray Lewis. Same with someone like Rodney Harrison or James Harrison or Troy Polumalu. Can they adjust? Sure they can, I won't argue that, but it becomes less enjoyable for me to watch a bunch of attemted leg tackles and watching DB and LBers having to pull up and sometimes allow catches to be made over the middle of the field.
    So, basically, the only way to play football well is to play it in a manner that puts players at risk for serious injury or death. What football needs is to have guys flying full speed at each other, and smashing into each other head first. Gotcha.



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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    It's still stupid. This is football. If you aren't willing to take the risk, don't play. It's football and people get hurt. They always have and always will unless we go to flag football which could happen in the next 15-20 years at this rate. Will it ruin the game? Probably not, but it will certainly change how people play and these rules will continue to help offenses until it is basically a shoot out. Forgive me for liking defensive football games. If you don't think the rules being made change the complection of the game, then you are kidding yourself. A guy like Ray Lewis won't be Ray Lewis. Same with someone like Rodney Harrison or James Harrison or Troy Polumalu. Can they adjust? Sure they can, I won't argue that, but it becomes less enjoyable for me to watch a bunch of attemted leg tackles and watching DB and LBers having to pull up and sometimes allow catches to be made over the middle of the field.
    My only problem is that pass defense became more about hitting people and jarring the ball loose rather than actually using football skills to break up a pass or make a tackle.



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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by Rural View Post
    This was the highest scoring weekend in over 20 years.
    Pass receiving has just become a safer job.


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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Pass receiving has just become a safer job.
    Did you read the link provided below that post? That's not the reason scoring was up. And this past weekend's scores also demonstrate that the one week spike was a fluke.


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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

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    Pass receiving has just become a safer job.
    More like playing pass coverage just became a safer job. Catastrophic head and neck injuries that occur in football happen overwhelmingly to players on defense. And, not surprisingly, defensive backs are the ones who suffer more injuries, followed by linebackers.



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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    It may have been total coincidence but the fact remains that scores ballooned the week after players were fined for cracking pass receivers. The Big Lead could change it's name to the Big Garbage.



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    Re: Helmet to Helmet aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by Rural View Post
    It may have been total coincidence but the fact remains that scores ballooned the week after players were fined for cracking pass receivers. The Big Lead could change it's name to the Big Garbage.
    Somewhere a stats professor is crying.

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