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    Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    I don't know how to link it but on Cyclones.com in his post game interveiw Coach Rhoads said something about Coach Herman listening to him and making 2nd and 3rd downs more manageable? I wonder what was said and if CPR tightened the reins on his young OC?



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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    Ha ha thats good if he did and Herman listened. Although thats what Herman should have been doing all along.



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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigguns View Post
    I don't know how to link it but on Cyclones.com in his post game interveiw Coach Rhoads said something about Coach Herman listening to him and making 2nd and 3rd downs more manageable? I wonder what was said and if CPR tightened the reins on his young OC?
    Rhoads is absolutely right! Yesterday it was either a 3 and out or a long drive where we were able to get positive yards on 1st and 2nd down to make 3rd downs more managable!



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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    I heard that in the press conference also. Not sure how to take it. If Herman had "the talk" it seemed to work.



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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    Along those same lines, one thing I've wondered about is would Tom Herman seek out advice from Wally Burnham about what kinds of plays would be harder to defend. Just advice or input from a defensive coach's point of view. Maybe this is a common practice for all teams. To me it would make sense.


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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    I am not sure if he let that info out intentionally because he wanted people to know or if it was a slip. I think most of what he says is very calculated but everyone slips every once in a while.



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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    I liked the aspect of having quite a few 3rd and short yardage. Like they were saying during the game, 3rd downs killed us, because they were always 3rd and distance.


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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    Quote Originally Posted by wesley_w View Post
    Along those same lines, one thing I've wondered about is would Tom Herman seek out advice from Wally Burnham about what kinds of plays would be harder to defend. Just advice or input from a defensive coach's point of view. Maybe this is a common practice for all teams. To me it would make sense.
    I think it is pretty common if you are facing a similar D to ask what play's you are vulnerable to. In Coach Burnham's case I am sure he has a lot of experience with several defenses.



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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    If Herman has to be told that it's better to have third and short instead of third and long, he may not be as smart as I thought.

    Coach may have had a talk with him, but I'm sure it wasn't along the lines of "Hey Tom, you may want to think about gaining yardage before third down". God I hope Herman already knew that...



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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyrocksmypants View Post
    If Herman has to be told that it's better to have third and short instead of third and long, he may not be as smart as I thought.

    Coach may have had a talk with him, but I'm sure it wasn't along the lines of "Hey Tom, you may want to think about gaining yardage before third down". God I hope Herman already knew that...
    You make it sound so simple. I think it might be a little more complex than that.



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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    maybe it was a talk with Bill Bliel?, the oline came to play yesterday, was physical against the #4 defense in the country. We were able to run the ball again, when we do that, we have a chance



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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigguns View Post
    You make it sound so simple. I think it might be a little more complex than that.
    Amazing how some people think things happen with the snap of the fingers.



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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigguns View Post
    I don't know how to link it but on Cyclones.com in his post game interveiw Coach Rhoads said something about Coach Herman listening to him and making 2nd and 3rd downs more manageable? I wonder what was said and if CPR tightened the reins on his young OC?
    Heard Rhoads say that and it definitely perked my ears. Wonder what the convo was about?


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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    Rhoads is not stupid, and neither is Herman. From what I have understood Herman has had pretty free reign over the offense with the general framework designed by Rhoads (run first, possession game, etc).

    He honestly probably gave him a mid-year review and told him we are not getting things done. Herman knows 3rd and manageable is better than 3rd and long and he has said as much in interviews the last two years. What has happened is his play calling has been timid and uncreative the last few weeks. Likely Rhoads lit a fire under his *** and told him to find better ways to manufacture yards and he did.

    Herman is a pretty adept coordinator but his play calling needs some tweaking against better defenses and coaching. Rhoads likely just pushed him along. The coaches have to learn every week just as the players do. Especially the young ones.



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    Re: Did Coach Rhoads have heart to heart with Coach Herman?

    Quote Originally Posted by d4nim4l View Post
    Herman knows 3rd and manageable is better than 3rd and long and he has said as much in interviews the last two years.

    Herman is a pretty adept coordinator but his play calling needs some tweaking against better defenses and coaching. Rhoads likely just pushed him along. The coaches have to learn every week just as the players do. Especially the young ones.
    I don't think anyone in this post called Herman stupid, I am sure he knows 2nd and 3rd and short is better than 3rd and long. I know 1 difference was ISU's ability to overcome stupid penalties. On 1 td drive we had one 5 and one 15 yard penalty and had to convert on 3rd and more than. The smart thin we did in 2nd down was try to get a little of it instead of trying to hit the homerun, or convert it all at once. What CPR said made me think he was telling him to make some changes.



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