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    Keys to competing the rest of the season

    I'm not a college football coach, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but after being very close to the game of football and from watching our games this year, I've got a few ideas for how to be competitive the rest of the season, and I'm wondering what everyone else thinks of this philosophy-

    My ideas are based around the idea of shortening the game, and having the opposing team within striking distance as the game wears on. We also need to get the offense and defense actually working together, not functioning as 2 seperate units which appears to be the case now.

    Offensively- Take the full play clock on every snap. Limit the passes thrown, and let the OL do what they do best, straight ahead blocking. No stretch plays, and the pass blocking is horrendous. There have been times the last 2 games where the defense gives up a score, and less than 30 seconds ticks off the clock before they are out on the field again. We are not a good enough offense that we aren't going to have 3 and outs, and our defense is so thin that we need to focus on taking as much time as possible to have those 3 and outs.

    Defensively- We can't get any pressure whatsoever with 4 guys, on the rare occassion we blitz we can't get pressure with 5 guys. Why not try a 3-4 or 3-3 look and get another guy back into coverage. Still allows the same amount of guys in the box vs the run, but hopefully can limit the big plays, and keep the passing gains shorter, hopefully shortening the game.


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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    I don't think that giving up on offense and just focusing on giving the defense more time to rest is acceptable in any way. Not that clock management isn't a valid concern, and there are times we should consider it, but that shouldn't be at the top of the list.

    Don't disagree that we need to give the defense rest, but the answer is to figure out how to get first downs, not to give up.



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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    I don't think its a "give up" thing, I just think there has to be an effort to give the defense more time off, and with our offensive personnel, I think that comes from pounding the ball. Like I said before, I just don't think our offensive and defensive philosophies match up with each other


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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    Quote Originally Posted by wartknight View Post
    I don't think its a "give up" thing, I just think there has to be an effort to give the defense more time off, and with our offensive personnel, I think that comes from pounding the ball. Like I said before, I just don't think our offensive and defensive philosophies match up with each other
    I think what your getting at is the offense needs to play better. Sustain drives. Score points. While keeping our weak defense off the field or another way to phrase it - keep the opposition's offense off the field.



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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    Honestly I agree completely. I'm up for a quasi-wildcat, 3 yards and a cloud of dust. IMO Arnaud is at his best when he's trucking dudes.




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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    Quote Originally Posted by wartknight View Post
    I just don't think our offensive and defensive philosophies match up with each other
    I don't see how the defensive philosophy has to match your offensive plan. See ball, tackle ball. Pretty simple. ISU just needs better players on the defensive side.



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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    Quote Originally Posted by blutarsky View Post
    I don't see how the defensive philosophy has to match your offensive plan. See ball, tackle ball. Pretty simple. ISU just needs better players on the defensive side.
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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    One thing to add to wartknight's idea is our screen game. With teams keeping 8 or 9 guys near the line of scrimmage we need to be able to get the ball out towards the sidelines quickly. This does not minimize the throws like he stated but the plays have been run so often they are usually high percentage. The screens helped beat Nebraska last year when the running game was only churning out 3 yards per carry. It is something that should be considered more often going forward as a way to help chew the clock.



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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    Quote Originally Posted by d4nim4l View Post
    One thing to add to wartknight's idea is our screen game. With teams keeping 8 or 9 guys near the line of scrimmage we need to be able to get the ball out towards the sidelines quickly. This does not minimize the throws like he stated but the plays have been run so often they are usually high percentage. The screens helped beat Nebraska last year when the running game was only churning out 3 yards per carry. It is something that should be considered more often going forward as a way to help chew the clock.
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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    It doesn't matter who we throw it to on the sideline right now as we throw the ball behind them and by the time they catch and recover they are buried for a loss.


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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    Regarding the screens, we need to throw them to Robinson and Shontrelle.

    Why the hell don't we ever throw those guys screen passes?


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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    Almost every time I have ever seen an Iowa State offense run a screen play, there is at least one defender at the point of attack who is not blocked (even if he is the only defender in the area, and we have 3 blockers out front), and he blows up the receiver the instant he makes the catch and we lose 5-7 yards.

    If we could actually execute screen plays, I'd feel better about running them.



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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    Wartnight-

    Not a bad idea. I imagine that the coaching staff wants to be "explosive" on offense, but sometimes you have to play with what you've got. We aren't exceptional at pass protection and our receivers haven't had an easy time getting open. Maybe more emphasis on running the ball serves two purposes: getting the o-line more aggressive and running more time off the clock for our defense.

    Interesting ideas.


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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    Quote Originally Posted by cardinal&gold View Post
    Almost every time I have ever seen an Iowa State offense run a screen play, there is at least one defender at the point of attack who is not blocked (even if he is the only defender in the area, and we have 3 blockers out front), and he blows up the receiver the instant he makes the catch and we lose 5-7 yards.

    If we could actually execute screen plays, I'd feel better about running them.
    I'm not talking your standard slip screen to the halfback. Rather the bubble and jailbreaks to the receivers. We have run those with decent success (4-5 yards usually) under Herman.

    Franklin and Shontrelle should be the receivers on those screens. Both have turned bubble screens in to solid gains this year already.



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    Re: Keys to competing the rest of the season

    Quote Originally Posted by blutarsky View Post
    I don't see how the defensive philosophy has to match your offensive plan. See ball, tackle ball. Pretty simple. ISU just needs better players on the defensive side.
    They need to match up completely. Right now we are running an offense that sometimes takes less than 30 seconds up on a possession. We don't have the depth at any position in our defense to be on the field as much as we have.


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