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    I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    While I think he is limited with talent at skill positions and at the Quarterback position, our offense was poor last year and even worse this year. I would hope in year two of his system we would be showing progress. I think if anything we've taken steps back this year. I really think some questions need to be asked on his skills as an OC.

    We got a great lesson on how to run an up tempo style of offense last weekend. OU got to the ball and before ISU got set defensively, Jones had thrown the ball and the WR was running down field. None of this pausing and checking with the sideline for whatever they're doing there, none of a bunch of song and dance for a 4 yard out pass to Franklin, etc. We absolutely have no rythym to our offense, our QB play is poor to say the least, and I'm not sure we always put our players in position to be successful.

    I know alot of you will say we need a new QB, and put all of our miscues on offense on AA's shoulders, but I am suggesting some questions/blame need to be put on Herman's skills as an OC.



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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    Too early



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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    Quote Originally Posted by sdcyfan View Post
    While I think he is limited with talent at skill positions and at the Quarterback position, our offense was poor last year and even worse this year. I would hope in year two of his system we would be showing progress. I think if anything we've taken steps back this year. I really think some questions need to be asked on his skills as an OC.

    We got a great lesson on how to run an up tempo style of offense last weekend. OU got to the ball and before ISU got set defensively, Jones had thrown the ball and the WR was running down field. None of this pausing and checking with the sideline for whatever they're doing there, none of a bunch of song and dance for a 4 yard out pass to Franklin, etc. We absolutely have no rythym to our offense, our QB play is poor to say the least, and I'm not sure we always put our players in position to be successful.

    I know alot of you will say we need a new QB, and put all of our miscues on offense on AA's shoulders, but I am suggesting some questions/blame need to be put on Herman's skills as an OC.

    For the millionth time, we aren't trying to run an "up-tempo" offense. We are running a "no huddle" offense.


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    I agree. We didn't choose Iowa State because it is easy. We chose Iowa State because it is awesome.
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    So frickin jealous of what they have in Ames. It's truly amazing what Fred has done coming in with 0 coaching experience.

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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    Yup, Herman suddenly forgot how to score points when he got to ISU.


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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    I think once he gets some of his own horses in there things will pick up a bit. I do somewhat agree that it doesn't seem like we're getting the most out of who we do have though.



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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    I agree that it's too early, but I would like to compare our offensive stats from the Chizik era to the Rhoads era. I thought Robert McFarland was a pretty bad offensive coordinator, but in retrospect, I think our offense was just as good those two seasons than it has been the past two. I thought Herman would be able to out-scheme people, but he has definitely not done that. The defense, until the past two games, has definitely been better under Wally Burnham.



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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    Quote Originally Posted by dtclones View Post
    I think once he gets some of his own horses in there things will pick up a bit. I do somewhat agree that it doesn't seem like we're getting the most out of who we do have though.
    So you're telling me I have to wait another 3-4 years ...GREAT



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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    Quote Originally Posted by 2forISU View Post
    So you're telling me I have to wait another 3-4 years ...GREAT

    Hey,

    start writing DMac/Chiz giving them thanks for the ****** leftovers.....or follow a different team.

    not too difficult.


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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    I never thought McFarland was a bad coordinator or coach. He was getting better every game IMO.
    I still have faith in all the coaches on this staff. Wayyy too early not to.



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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    Quote Originally Posted by 2forISU View Post
    So you're telling me I have to wait another 3-4 years ...GREAT
    Well that's kind of what happens with coaching changes. Plus, I don't think it'll take that long.



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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    I think it's fair to assume that Rhoads is asking Herman some questions. The offense has some personnel issues, but there is enough talent to be better than we are.

    That being said, in no way is it time to give up on Herman. He is learning along with everyone else.



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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    At least let him get his QB, Barnett or Richardson, in place. This offense starts and finishes through the QB.



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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBake View Post
    Yup, Herman suddenly forgot how to score points when he got to ISU.
    Tp put in the word of Rich Rodriguez, he didn't start taking stupid pills when he got here.

    Listen, he has less talent here than he did at Rice. He has QBs that aren't as good. He is going against better competetion. Give him a damn break. How long did it take Leach to get his offense going? June Jones still hasn't gotten it fully ramped up. Hell RichRod took 3 years with more talent.

    I compare our situation with that of Michigans. Big change, with not the right pieces. Michigan has the name to get those pieces. We don't. We have to develop them. It will take much longer. You give us Tate Forcier next year and our offense would be much better, but not yet a force. We would still need to be good on defense. Just have some damn patience.


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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    Not sure why people don't understand how big of a talent gap we have. You really can't expect a lot better results until we start to upgrade the talent level.

    I can't make any promises as to whether or not CPR can get it done from a recruiting standpoint. Obviously Chizik was said to be a good recruiter before he got here and has done well in that regard at Auburn. While he was here however, I don't think he did anything better than what CPR and Mac before him have done.

    This is a tough gig, because you have more going against you than for you in the recruiting game.



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    Re: I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

    Quote Originally Posted by Palmer View Post
    Hey,

    start writing DMac/Chiz giving them thanks for the ****** leftovers.....or follow a different team.

    not too difficult.
    We have enough playmakers to put the ball in the enzone at least once against OU. ISU O is awful...please don't spin it.



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