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    Future of the Offense

    So seeing JT play he certainly doesn't seem to be the future - I hope we have a RS Freshman coming in that is the guy. The oline seems to have major problems as well.

    So if the offense doesn't produce any better next year what do you do with Herman? Keep him another year or look to replace him? I myself would give him a 4th year but if the 3rd year didn't produce the 4th year could get tough for CPR because another bowless year and if year 4 doesn't get the offense running odds are no bowl in year 4 and recruiting gets even tougher.



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    Re: Future of the Offense

    If Tiller starts next year, I honestly don't think our offense can make progress. We need a passer who is a moderate runner, not a runner who is a moderate passer.



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    Re: Future of the Offense

    Give Herman time to get his players in his system.
    Tiller is not the answer to this offense. Our QB needs to be able to pass first, run second.


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    Re: Future of the Offense

    We don't even have a full second season to judge his performance by. You are getting ahead of yourself.



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    Re: Future of the Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonedave25 View Post
    Give Herman time to get his players in his system.
    Tiller is not the answer to this offense. Our QB needs to be able to pass first, run second.
    My hope is Herman will be a better OC in two years and he will have better players in 2 or 3 years. One thing I do not want to do is switch systems again, we need to pick something and stick with it. Constantly switching just keeps putting us more in a hole.



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    Re: Future of the Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by cyatheart View Post
    My hope is Herman will be a better OC in two years and he will have better players in 2 or 3 years. One thing I do not want to do is switch systems again, we need to pick something and stick with it. Constantly switching just keeps putting us more in a hole.
    Exactly. We need continuity on our team. Switching coaching staffs every 2 years is crazy. Once Herman gets the players he wants in his system, I really believe the offense will click. Starting with a QB who is an accurate passer and an OL that can block.


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    Re: Future of the Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue52 View Post
    We don't even have a full second season to judge his performance by. You are getting ahead of yourself.
    The question is a "what if". I think after 4 years and the offense is not working then CPR may have to make a move. Dan would never fire an assistant coach and I'm hoping CPR won't have that problem.



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    Re: Future of the Offense

    Give him some time. Just like Coach Rhoads, Herman is still learning his craft. It's a big difference between being the OC at a non-AQ conference team in the Texas heat than it is in a BCS conference in a cold weather state. I don't think we're going to see the exact same offense in the Big XII in the October and November Iowa cold as he had at Rice, and I think this season he's starting to realize it. I'm not saying there will be drastic changes, but I think you're going to start to see tweeks in the Herman system this offseason. It will also benefit having a quarterback that is a good fit for they system.



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    Re: Future of the Offense

    If Tiller is the starter for ISU next season I am going on record saying that ISU will not be in bowl contention.



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    Re: Future of the Offense

    Can't really know until we try it with Herman's players.

    It's hard to be real confident with it right now, but it seems obvious that our players right now don't fit what the OC would want to run.

    That brings up the obvious question: Why not adapt to who we have while you recruit for what you want to build?


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    Re: Future of the Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    Can't really know until we try it with Herman's players.

    It's hard to be real confident with it right now, but it seems obvious that our players right now don't fit what the OC would want to run.

    That brings up the obvious question: Why not adapt to who we have while you recruit for what you want to build?
    Because eventually you will want to switch it so you have to go through another transition anyway. What system would you say we have the personnel to run anyway? Our line isn't all that good, our RB is a spread type back, and a receiver is a receiver however we have only 1 or 2 that are good receivers.


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    Re: Future of the Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    Because eventually you will want to switch it so you have to go through another transition anyway. What system would you say we have the personnel to run anyway? Our line isn't all that good, our RB is a spread type back, and a receiver is a receiver however we have only 1 or 2 that are good receivers.
    I think that's a significant problem that we have. We have a roster that really couldn't execute anything.

    I don't spend time examining schemes. I simply would say that it was obvious last year these guys couldn't run plays in this system. It might not have hurt (or it might not have helped) to look at doing something different.

    But they have to get something going that looks better than these last two years.


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    Re: Future of the Offense

    THE LAST THING THIS PROGRAM NEEDS IS MORE COACHING CHANGES. WE NEED A GOOD 5-6 YRS OF AS MUCH CONTINUITY AS WE CAN GET TO BEGIN TO GET A FOUNDATION IN THE PROGRAM WHERE WE HAVE A SYSTEM, DEPTH, AND CAN COMPETE FOR BOWLS EVERY YEAR.

    YES I AM YELLING!



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    Re: Future of the Offense

    I don't think our biggest problem is with the offense, or even QB play for that matter, it is our blocking all around. Our OL is having big issues this year, and our receivers are very poor blockers. Watching Missouri yesterday when they run the bubble screen their other receivers are hitting somebody before the ball even gets there, ours are standing around watching the ball. We need an upgrade in the OL and we sure could use some bigger body receivers, that is probably harder to do until we have a better program.



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    Re: Future of the Offense

    Schemes are fine. We just need a lot better players in all positions. We are behind at every position in the Big 12.



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