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    Most overrated player/coach?

    Les Miles- Has to be #1. Sure he has won a national championship and had some great recruiting classes at LSU but all you have to do is watch an LSU game to see that he has no clue what he is doing. As bad of a start as Rich Rod has had at Michigan....they are still in a ton better shape having him be the coach than Les Miles IMO. The guy has won more lucky games than any coach I can remember. Games where he tried to make LSU lose and his talented players wouldn't let him

    Vince Carter- Maybe not so much anymore but for years people threw him in as one of the best in the NBA. Never saw it.

    Tom Brady- Here me out! Here me out! I think Tom Brady is a great QB. A Hall of Fame QB. I just don't think he is a top 3 QB of all time like I hear some say. I think he has been part of a great organization with a fantastic coach and has used that to become a great QB. But when Cassell when's 10 games there when he hasn't started a game since he was a high school kid....you have to wonder how much is Brady and how much is the system. Like I said, love Brady's game, sure Hall of famer. Top 3? No way IMO. So a tad overrated


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    Re: Most overrated player/coach?

    Ricky Stanzi


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    Re: Most overrated player/coach?

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    Ricky Stanzi
    I was going to say Soph/Junior Ricky Stanzi. He has been solid thus far. No QB will get more credit for winning games that they tried to lose than Ricky Stanzi his first 2 years at Iowa



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    Re: Most overrated player/coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones85' View Post
    Les Miles- Has to be #1. Sure he has won a national championship and had some great recruiting classes at LSU but all you have to do is watch an LSU game to see that he has no clue what he is doing. As bad of a start as Rich Rod has had at Michigan....they are still in a ton better shape having him be the coach than Les Miles IMO. The guy has won more lucky games than any coach I can remember. Games where he tried to make LSU lose and his talented players wouldn't let him

    Vince Carter- Maybe not so much anymore but for years people threw him in as one of the best in the NBA. Never saw it.

    Tom Brady- Here me out! Here me out! I think Tom Brady is a great QB. A Hall of Fame QB. I just don't think he is a top 3 QB of all time like I hear some say. I think he has been part of a great organization with a fantastic coach and has used that to become a great QB. But when Cassell when's 10 games there when he hasn't started a game since he was a high school kid....you have to wonder how much is Brady and how much is the system. Like I said, love Brady's game, sure Hall of famer. Top 3? No way IMO. So a tad overrated


    Who do you guys say?
    Who's arguing that Tom Brady is top 3 QB all time? I've never heard that from anybody with a shred of credibility. He clearly isn't better than Payton Manning, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, or Dan Marino, and possibly a handful of others. I've heard people argue that he's a top 3 QB in the league RIGHT NOW (along with Manning and Brees), and I would certainly buy that argument. But I've never heard it argued that he's top 3 all time.


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    Re: Most overrated player/coach?

    Dave Wanstead (probably spelled wrong, but he's not worthy of a google search). He's not really highly thought of, but the fact that he has a job means he's overrated.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    Who's arguing that Tom Brady is top 3 QB all time? I've never heard that from anybody with a shred of credibility. He clearly isn't better than Payton Manning, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, or Dan Marino, and possibly a handful of others. I've heard people argue that he's a top 3 QB in the league RIGHT NOW (along with Manning and Brees), and I would certainly buy that argument. But I've never heard it argued that he's top 3 all time.
    Clearly you aren't reading sportstalkmatt's blog.



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    Re: Most overrated player/coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    Who's arguing that Tom Brady is top 3 QB all time? I've never heard that from anybody with a shred of credibility. He clearly isn't better than Payton Manning, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, or Dan Marino, and possibly a handful of others. I've heard people argue that he's a top 3 QB in the league RIGHT NOW (along with Manning and Brees), and I would certainly buy that argument. But I've never heard it argued that he's top 3 all time.
    I've heard it argued plenty. 3 super bowls and if he wins a 4th he will be with Montana as best ever. I hear that a lot and don't buy it. Same as Roethlisberger. Solid QB in a great organization. Give me Dan Marino over both



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    Re: Most overrated player/coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by RandomFan View Post
    Clearly you aren't reading sportstalkmatt's blog.
    I did say anybody with a shred of credibility, right?


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    Re: Most overrated player/coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by RandomFan View Post
    Dave Wanstead (probably spelled wrong, but he's not worthy of a google search). He's not really highly thought of, but the fact that he has a job means he's overrated.
    Haha it was a tough call be Dave and Les. Both suck but Les coach's a higher profile team and has had better results so I gave him the nod. But you are right. Dave W is one of the worst coaches in football



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    Re: Most overrated player/coach?

    No way is Terry Bradshaw even considered a top QB. No way.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    I did say anybody with a shred of credibility, right?
    Oops! Reading fail by me.



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    Re: Most overrated player/coach?

    Overrated coach-Brad Childress. His team makes him look good.


    Overrated player- Mark Sanchez. I just dont think hes that great.


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    Re: Most overrated player/coach?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    Who's arguing that Tom Brady is top 3 QB all time? I've never heard that from anybody with a shred of credibility. He clearly isn't better than Payton Manning, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, or Dan Marino, and possibly a handful of others. I've heard people argue that he's a top 3 QB in the league RIGHT NOW (along with Manning and Brees), and I would certainly buy that argument. But I've never heard it argued that he's top 3 all time.
    Bradshaw was not that great of a statistical QB.

    Terry Bradshaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Tom Brady is much better statistically
    Tom Brady: Career Stats


    To me the arguments of comparing two NFL players from completely different eras is not a good one to make. When Bradsaw played the offenses were more run based and especially because he had the "Steel Curtian" Defense and Franco Harris to hand off to. Bradshaw was asked to control the game, dont make mistakes and let the running game and the Defense win the games

    Tom Brady was asked to be the leader of the Pats. The offense is based around him and his skills and offenses are much more pass oreinted than they were in the past.

    Its hard to argue that Tom Brady is overated, look at his stats/awards compared to others during HIS playing time (Manning/Farve/Rothlesburger (sp)).

    PS I hate Tom Brady and the Pats.


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    Re: Most overrated player/coach?

    Joe Namath. More ints than tds. Some consider him great.


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    Re: Most overrated player/coach?

    Since this is a pro sports board, I'll stick with that.

    NBA-Phil Jackson. Even I could win at least 6 championships with Jordan and Bryant both in their primes.

    NFL-Tony Romo. All hype; no return.

    MLB-Derek Jeter. GREAT leader, but on ability alone, not that great.



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