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    OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    ... and we do not deserve to be!!

    The superpower battle to come is Radical Muslims vs. China because they think long term and we think in terms of polls and news cycles. I thank God it probably will not happen in my lifetime but some of the youngsters will have to decide if they want to pray to Mecca or speak Chinese. Random points supporting my position:
    • almost 6 years after 9/11 we still cannot secure our borders. The question is not if we will be attacked by Radical Muslims it is when, could be as early as this week.
    • China is killing our pets, poisoning our toothpaste and food and who knows what else and nobody seems to get it. They are testing our precautions and safeguards so that one day when all of our veggies and fruit and everything else is coming from them suddenly about 1/2 of the population will be gone in one fell swoop. We will be much easier to conquer then.
    • China is partnering with Cuba and will be drilling for oil off of the Florida coast. We have years of oil that we could tap but will not due to the environmentalists. We could be energy self sufficient if we just tried; Alaska, California coast, gulf of Mexico and even the oil in the mainland could supply us for years allowing time to ramp up our nuclear program.
    • I'll bet England thought they were safer getting rid of Blair but look at what happened over the weekend. The Radical Muslims will not rest until the infidels are killed or converted. It will be just worse if we appear weak in their eyes which we have done time and time again and if the Dims have their way we will really look weak.
    • We could wipe out malaria in the world if we would just use DDT, doesn't really fit here but still a valid point of our PC wacko nature.
    There, I feel much better now :-)



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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    I think you might be a little off on a few points. The oil supply in the US would not make us self-sufficient for long. Coal, yes (and you can make a liquid fuel out of coal). Oil, no. We have enough coal to last around 200yrs, enough oil for about 10. If nuclear power was ramped up (Like France ~80% of electricity), that changes things a bit.

    And China can never openly attack the US. That would be a rather short war with a few red buttons being pushed on both sides.



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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    I understand there are problems but saying we are not a super power is one of the most rediculous things EVER.

    We are making stupid mistakes but every mistake we make effects the world. Everything we do effects everything in the world. Nobody else can say that. Thus the term SUPER POWER



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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    While I can't go completely down that road with you, I know what you are saying. In allowing the Chinese unfettered access to our markets, and allowing them to buy our debt so we can feed our socialist programs, we are building them up, while simultaneously tearing ourselves down. However, their ridiculous population will drag on them, and from the books on China that I have read recently, their military is barely considered modern at this point, in comparison to most western countries. However, they are stealing technology from everyone like crazy to catch up.

    Radical Islam is not a threat to become a superpower anytime this century. They can't even agree amongst themselves, or stop killing each other. Their main threat is what they can do to our superpower status with a well placed biological or nuclear attack.

    Amen on the DDT. Millions and millions of people have died from malaria because of the banning of DDT. I hope the health related problems we avoided by that are worth it.

    Overall, we are a short attention society, and that needs to change, or what you say does not bode well for the distant future.



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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    A superpower is a state with a leading position in the world and the ability to influence events and project power on a worldwide scale.



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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    You have me convinced. I'm converting to metric.



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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    Your point on DDT is a little short sighted. The overall environmental impact could be devastating in the long term. The problem is that it's not killing the right people to get something done. If millions of Americans were dying, we would be funding the research to get the appropriate pesticide. However, it's poor people dying in nations that can't afford, nor have the technology, to do the research.

    Most of your points come across as a paranoid diatribe, stating conjecture as facts.

    Why would China want us gone, anyway? Our consumption-based lifestyle fuels their economy.


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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    Quote Originally Posted by kcbob79clone View Post
    ... and we do not deserve to be!!

    The superpower battle to come is Radical Muslims vs. China because they think long term and we think in terms of polls and news cycles. I thank God it probably will not happen in my lifetime but some of the youngsters will have to decide if they want to pray to Mecca or speak Chinese. Random points supporting my position:
    • almost 6 years after 9/11 we still cannot secure our borders. The question is not if we will be attacked by Radical Muslims it is when, could be as early as this week.
    • China is killing our pets, poisoning our toothpaste and food and who knows what else and nobody seems to get it. They are testing our precautions and safeguards so that one day when all of our veggies and fruit and everything else is coming from them suddenly about 1/2 of the population will be gone in one fell swoop. We will be much easier to conquer then.
    • China is partnering with Cuba and will be drilling for oil off of the Florida coast. We have years of oil that we could tap but will not due to the environmentalists. We could be energy self sufficient if we just tried; Alaska, California coast, gulf of Mexico and even the oil in the mainland could supply us for years allowing time to ramp up our nuclear program.
    • I'll bet England thought they were safer getting rid of Blair but look at what happened over the weekend. The Radical Muslims will not rest until the infidels are killed or converted. It will be just worse if we appear weak in their eyes which we have done time and time again and if the Dims have their way we will really look weak.
    • We could wipe out malaria in the world if we would just use DDT, doesn't really fit here but still a valid point of our PC wacko nature.
    There, I feel much better now :-)
    You are way off on a number of points....

    Energy self sufficiency would be disasterous in a global economy. Energy diversification is a more realistic and sensible goal.

    China even gets it that selling defective products is not a wise policy and is taking steps so that these misfires are not repeated.

    An arguement could be made that their are a number of nations that are bipolar powers given today's complex global marketplace and the rising interdependency between the world's nations.

    We could secure our borders but at what price?



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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    wow, this sounds like a regurgitation of a recent Limbaugh rant or something.....

    perhaps first the term "superpower" needs to be defined... are we talking an economic superpower? military superpower (they kinda go hand in hand)... superpower in the sense of the cold war?

    do you think "radical Muslims" will become a "superpower"? what nation-state are we talking here? Is there enough unification in the Muslim world to have a "superpower" region stretching from Morocco to Pakistan?

    China has their hands in several cookie jars when it comes to petroleum. The US gov't doesn't drill in Alaska, US coasts etc... it's private companies...who can easily sell their product to China anyway (or Japan, or Europe etc..)... one thing however, China is killing their environment with air and water pollution in attempts to become a super power.... this may be a limiting factor in their growth.

    I'm sure that Tony Blair leaving office caused the attacks last week... I mean I felt better when Clinton left office, thinking nothing like 9/11 could ever happen with having a tough, (don't mess with) Texan in the oval office for over 7 months... boy was I wrong.

    Is the US losing it's superpower status? Perhaps in some ways, but the nation is still a huge player on the world stage. If not, why is everyone gunning at us (like the radical muslims and chinese?). But one great equalizer that we have over many is our stockpile of nuclear freakin' weapons.... (thanks Dennis Leary).


    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    Most of your points come across as a paranoid diatribe, stating conjecture as facts.
    You are not paranoic if people are really out to get you, like the Radical Muslims and the Chinese. If you do not believe that about the Chinese read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu, I know the Chinese have :-)

    Superpower was a little over the top, maybe I should have titled this post: The US is DOOMED!!!!



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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    Quote Originally Posted by frontrangeclone View Post
    I'm sure that Tony Blair leaving office caused the attacks last week...
    Not my point, the point was some in England were feeling safer since Brown will pull the troops out. What they, and you, do not get is that we all are infidels to them and it is only a matter of time (maybe hundreds of years) before all infidels are to be killed or converted.



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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    Quote Originally Posted by frontrangeclone View Post
    one thing however, China is killing their environment with air and water pollution in attempts to become a super power....
    This is why they want our clean, pristine, green environment.



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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    The US is the only real superpower in the world at this point...what makes you think the world won't balance itself out? think world war 2 germany tried to get to powerfull we balanced them out cold war two main superpowers US and Russia they fell by the wayside and now that just leave the US, right now i believe China is the only country that is close enough to tip the scales and balance the power, it wont be long until China is right up there as a super power, how they do that is the question. will they do it militarily? probably not most likely they will just feed of our market and let ourselves open the door for a new balance. But who knows i could be way off this is just one scenario


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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    Your point on DDT is a little short sighted. The overall environmental impact could be devastating in the long term.
    Let's see, a few dead birds on one side or MILLIONS of humans on the other, which would you choose?

    Boy, this is fun!!!



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    Re: OT: The US is no longer a superpower ...

    Quote Originally Posted by crash_zone View Post
    And China can never openly attack the US. That would be a rather short war with a few red buttons being pushed on both sides.
    Kind of a funny aside.

    A couple years ago, when US-China tensions were particularly high (just after that spy plane collided with a Chinese jet and the kept our plane and crew for a few days), I think it was Time magazine ran an expose on the head to head matchup between the two countries military. They left nukes off the table, for obvious reasons.

    But it went something like: Army, Far and away the most difficult prospect facing the US military. China owns in excess of a 10:1 standing army ratio to the US. However this would be largely negated in superiority in other aspects. The Chinese army isn't particularly well equipped and in modern warfare, standing armies based on pure numbers of troops are rather vulnerable.

    Air Force - Largely in the US's favor due to technological and training superiority. It would be a matter of weeks to a few months for the US to achieve complete air superiority.

    Navy (this was the funny one) - Decidedly US. It would be less than two weeks for the US to obliterate the Chinese navy, most of which time would be spent looking for it.

    Fact is, China probably poses the largest economic threat to US dominance, but not muc of a military one (or food one on any real scale )

    Although the article did cite that the Chinese are spending a great deal on upgrading their military.



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