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    What program has come further along...

    in the last two years KSU or ISU?
    Both coaches hired at the same time.



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    Re: What program has come further along...

    Being an ISU fan/alum, I am going to go with ISU. Although Kansas State has beat us the past 2 years, we have won a bowl game. I think that the main goal for any coach every year is to get into the post season and get a win. Of course there are other goals, but this is one that is towards the top.


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    Re: What program has come further along...

    They are even if not ISU has been better (bowl win), last season was a joke by KSU as two wins came from 1 AA opponents.



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    Re: What program has come further along...

    Quote Originally Posted by 2forISU View Post
    in the last two years KSU or ISU?
    Both coaches hired at the same time.
    It's pretty hard to compare the two by records since KSU played an easy schedule last year and we played an average one. Now this year KSU plays a more respectable schedule but we have the #1 schedule in the nation.

    I'll say KSU has come a little further than ISU because they beat us twice in two very close games on a neutral field. But then I can look at Rhoads age and that he is an Iowan and then look at Snyder's age and say that brings it back to a draw in the big picture.

    Both programs are easily headed in a better direction than Kansas and Colorado, not that CU matters long term anyway. I knew the minute KU fired Mangino that they were headed downhill big time losing their best coach and best players ever. Even if Turner Gill is the right guy he is a few years behind ISU and KSU now.



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    Re: What program has come further along...

    Ask me that question two years from now after both teams have played 6 games and you will receive an answer based on better evidence. Both coaches are playing kids they did not recruit and kids that are far from ideal for their systems.



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    Re: What program has come further along...

    Quote Originally Posted by iowa_wildcat View Post
    Ask me that question two years from now after both teams have played 6 games and you will receive an answer based on better evidence. Both coaches are playing kids they did not recruit and kids that are far from ideal for their systems.
    KSUs offense is Thomas and Thomas only? Snyder recruited him. ISU on the offensive side actually lacks less (qb) as he does not fit the spread offense.



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    Re: What program has come further along...

    Quote Originally Posted by iowa_wildcat View Post
    Ask me that question two years from now after both teams have played 6 games and you will receive an answer based on better evidence. Both coaches are playing kids they did not recruit and kids that are far from ideal for their systems.
    This makes sense but don't you also have to make an adjustment 2 years from now for a coach in his mid 40s who looks to possibly be a "long haul guy" and a coach in what? his mid 70s?

    Recruiting and developing your own players is important but realistically how many more recruiting classes can he bring in and develop? We all know JoePa is in more of a supervisory role.

    There's no doubt Snyder has shown if he's healthy and at the top of his game he's the best coach on Earth for KSU, just the reality of the situation is he's getting old.



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    Re: What program has come further along...

    KSU is only because their line blocks well and they have an outstanding RB that can do it all. Synder also understands how to playcall a game.


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    Re: What program has come further along...

    Thomas was a Ron Prince recruit but did not qualify scholastically. He attended another year of juco to attempt to qualify but still had to go to summer school at four year school to gain admission. Snyder looked at his films and decided he wanted him as a QB. When he arrived last fall, Snyder realized he did not have an accurate enough arm to play QB and moved him to running back.



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    Re: What program has come further along...

    In the art of winning a game at the end, Bill Snyder has proven his worth.


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    Re: What program has come further along...

    I would say Iowa State. Rhoads was brought in a situation far worse I believe than K-State, and made a bowl last year and has stayed pretty competitive with the players at ISU right now.

    KSU's record from 2006-2008: (1 different coach)

    7-6
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    ISU's record from 2006-2008: (2 different coaches and systems)

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    Re: What program has come further along...

    Quote Originally Posted by iowa_wildcat View Post
    Thomas was a Ron Prince recruit but did not qualify scholastically. He attended another year of juco to attempt to qualify but still had to go to summer school at four year school to gain admission. Snyder looked at his films and decided he wanted him as a QB. When he arrived last fall, Snyder realized he did not have an accurate enough arm to play QB and moved him to running back.
    Even if he had a pretty decent arm, he looks like the PROTOTYPE running back. I'm no NFL scout, but I can't imagine him not being able to rush at the next level.

    Obviously they can't run him every single play, but that backup #20 looks pretty good. If they'd have passed even less than they did and spelled Thomas with #20 running more instead of spelling Thomas by passing I think the game is not as close.

    The one pass play that was successful for KSU really should have been a penalty against KSU instead of a gain.



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    Re: What program has come further along...

    Yes, Bill Snyder is getting old. He is 70. Most people do not realize how much of the game planning and play calling at KSU is done by Dana Dimel, co-offensive coordinator and running backs coach. He spends game days in the press box and not on the sidelines.



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    Re: What program has come further along...

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    KSU is only because their line blocks well and they have an outstanding RB that can do it all. Synder also understands how to playcall a game.
    Bingo! He's got an old school approach, basically saying I'm going to do one thing great until you stop, which sets you up for the entire arsenal. This is a guy who never jumped on a the latest "fad" in football. He's done what he's done well for a long time, very few coaches are able to say that their offense doesn't have a label(Spread,Pro,West Coast etc...) but he is one. He is great at playing to his teams strengths, which is exactly what you need at schools like KState and Iowa St. We can't expect to hand pick guys to fit our system at this point, we need to play the hand we're dealt until we get guys in there who fit into what Herman and Co want to do. Ask Bill Callahan or Rich Rod how square pegs fit into round holes.



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    Re: What program has come further along...

    Quote Originally Posted by HFCS View Post
    Even if he had a pretty decent arm, he looks like the PROTOTYPE running back. I'm no NFL scout, but I can't imagine him not being able to rush at the next level.

    Obviously they can't run him every single play, but that backup #20 looks pretty good. If they'd have passed even less than they did and spelled Thomas with #20 running more instead of spelling Thomas by passing I think the game is not as close.

    The one pass play that was successful for KSU really should have been a penalty against KSU instead of a gain.
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