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    Huge physical disparity

    I couldn't get over the huge physical disparity between our lines and Iowa's -- they were just killing us at the point of attack -- what happened since last year.....are our lines worse or have EIU's just improved that much. It looked like men vs boys!!!



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    Re: Huge physical disparity

    large fonts screeaaaammmiinnnnggg!!!!


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    Re: Huge physical disparity

    its because they are dominant in the weight room. They have a great S&C coach in Chris doyle. I've brought this issue up several times in the past few years, and everyone blows it off.

    Apparently our coaches do too.

    But, i guess its only year 1.75, so there is time yet.


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    Re: Huge physical disparity

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    its because they are dominant in the weight room. They have a great S&C coach in Chris doyle. I've brought this issue up several times in the past few years, and everyone blows it off.

    Apparently our coaches do too.

    But, i guess its only year 2.5, so there is time yet.
    Whats the issue you are suggesting? Our S&C program isn't coached right? I honestly dont know so I am asking



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    Re: Huge physical disparity

    Our D line did little more than occupy a blocker. Absolutely sickening seeing Stanzi take a nap in the pocket before hitting open recievers. It's hard to cover anybody for 5 seconds and that has a ton to do with our D line being incredibly outmanned.


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    Re: Huge physical disparity

    How many threads do we need to meta-whine over each facet of the game on Saturday?It's over. Move on.


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    Re: Huge physical disparity

    Yea, our guys are weak and slow. A good S&C coach can improve both of those. But a not so great one will tell you that "speed can't be coached" or we gotta recruit better athletes.

    Thats true to some extent, can't turn every jake williams into calvin johnson. But a good S&C coach can turn 6'4 220 pound HS linemen into giant NFL linemen like Doyle has done dozens of times. He is great.



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    Re: Huge physical disparity

    But Iowa's lines were pathetic in year one and two of Ferentz. We haven't been pathetic, unless we're matched up with Iowa. This might be too premature to really cry about yet.


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    Re: Huge physical disparity

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDISU1 View Post
    Whats the issue you are suggesting? Our S&C program isn't coached right? I honestly dont know so I am asking
    I think the bigger issue is we've had 3 different S&C coaches in the last 5 years, each with different philosophies in how to "get it done" in the weight room. Iowa, on the other hand, if they haven't had only one S&C coach, then at least the S&C mentality hasn't changed over the last decade. Until we stick with one mentality for several years on end we're going to have problems developing players.


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    Re: Huge physical disparity

    Chris Doyle is one of the best S&C coaches in the country.

    And the problem isn't just strength, speed, and quickness, they were also lacking aggressiveness and tenacity.


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    Re: Huge physical disparity

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    I think the bigger issue is we've had 3 different S&C coaches in the last 5 years, each with different philosophies in how to "get it done" in the weight room. Iowa, on the other hand, if they haven't had only one S&C coach, then at least the S&C mentality hasn't changed over the last decade. Until we stick with one mentality for several years on end we're going to have problems developing players.

    10+ with the same program vs 1.5 in thr CPR.

    Think a little please rebecca.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Palmer View Post
    10+ with the same program vs 1.5 in thr CPR.

    Think a little please rebecca.
    I think Iowa SC guy is good friends with Victor Conte too.

    Puberty will hit and we will be fine!


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    Re: Huge physical disparity

    The OP is more than just complaining about what went on in Saturday's game. That is something ISU needs to improve in to be good long term not just against Iowa but against the Big 12 in the future.

    What is startling about the strength difference is this. Iowa's DL of course is maybe the best in the country and has veterans, but so does the ISU offensive line, and the ISU OL is supposed to be a good line this year.

    But what is truly astounding is the way the Iowa OL with their youth and inexperience was so much stronger than the ISU DL. That was what was scary about the difference between the two programs strength and conditioning.



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    Re: Huge physical disparity

    Quote Originally Posted by Win5002 View Post
    The OP is more than just complaining about what went on in Saturday's game. That is something ISU needs to improve in to be good long term not just against Iowa but against the Big 12 in the future.

    What is startling about the strength difference is this. Iowa's DL of course is maybe the best in the country and has veterans, but so does the ISU offensive line, and the ISU OL is supposed to be a good line this year.

    But what is truly astounding is the way the Iowa OL with their youth and inexperience was so much stronger than the ISU DL. That was what was scary about the difference between the two programs strength and conditioning.

    Again....

    Iowa players in a S/C going on ten years of experience/program development.

    ISU players a freaking little over a year in CPR program.

    Call up DMac/Cheeze wiz for the failures of not establishing a long term S/C program.


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    Re: Huge physical disparity

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    But Iowa's lines were pathetic in year one and two of Ferentz. We haven't been pathetic, unless we're matched up with Iowa. This might be too premature to really cry about yet.
    This...and again, this.

    If you lined up KF's second year team with this year's Cyclone team. Boy, it would be ugly. CPR is way ahead of where KF was in year 2. There can all kinds of reasons for that but the point remains...ISU fans have got to wake up and realize that today KF is light years ahead of CPR and ISU in program development. We all want wins right away and what happened Saturday should frustrate everyone...but perspective is just not a quality that is going around in mass quantities this week.

    This staff is right on target...they are 8 and freaking 7 still!? Who wouldn't have paid good money for that the day Paul was hired? I would have never believed it had you told me that day.

    Relax, we are on target. And if KF keeps it rolling like he is we may never catch him. But we've got a great chance of catching Mizzou and KSU and KU and making some waves in the Big 12 in the years to come.



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