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    Honest Question - Tom Herman

    Don't beat me up too bad for this thread, I ask and honest question and want some feedback. I know that Herman is a smart guy (at least that is what we are told over and over and over it's mobious). Do you really think his offense has been better than McFarlands? Don't get me wrong, for whatever reason I like him better than McFarland but that is probably just the Chizek factor. New system, new OC for AA blah, blah, blah... Okie State seems to be adjusting fine as do some other 1st year OC's. Wally has done more with less, Herman seems to be doing less with more. What game has he actually exploited another teams weakness. When has the offense dominated. He has got to start out scheming some other teams until I am convinced of his genius. We look better in the hurry up than we do with scripted and called plays. Correct me if I am off track......thanks


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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    Last year at Neb was a great game against a great defense. Not to point fingers but the guy who touches the ball almost every play that does not play center might be a handicap.



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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    It take time to recruit the type of players who flourish in the spread. We have some of the pieces, but not all. So Herman has had to adjust as have the players. It won't happen overnight, but it will happen.



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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    2nd game of year two of many years of poor coaching prior to Rhoads and company. Staff doesn't have their players in place.

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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    Iowa is a very, very well coached team. That said, I also havent seen any shooting stars coming out of T Hermans playbook. He said that we don't have any guys on our team that "will win any races" aka we have no athletes on this team. I'd like to see where we are at a few years from now. See if we recruit some of these athletes.

    I think we've got some athletes on this team. I think they are pretty well coached. I think we still win 7 games this year. Thats a pretty damn good season. I don't think austen arnaud is a very good QB. He makes a lot of mistakes and just isn't really a spread offense QB.

    When i say spread offense QB, understand what i mean: I don't mean AA would be better in another system, i mean our system would be better off with a different QB. Somone who makes better decisions.

    The spread offense is all about the QB. You gotta build a spread offense around a SUPER STAR QB. Like baylor is doing with robert griffin, or florida did with tim tebow. Or a once pro style ohio state has done with terrelle pryor.


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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    Fair enough comments, it's just the WOW factor of the offense has been minimal. I'll keep waiting. It's not like it can get a lot worse and I know it will get better.


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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    I don't think I am going out on a limb saying AA is not the style of QB he intends on having in the future. You can see that in the guys he is now recruiting. I see his ideal system being in between ours and a Leach system. I think he would like to throw to set up the run or vice versa. That is my opinion on the matter.

    Also, I wish people would settle down. It's going to take 6 or more years for us to consistently be competetive with quality teams. The reason for that is because we need to develop OUR players for 3 years to build a reputation. Once we do that it will take 2-3 more to get the talent up to where it needs to be. Please have patience. This isn't basketball where you can get 1 or 2 guys and go from mediocre to great. This will take time, but we will get there.


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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    If you QB struggles in any offense, you will have problems moving the ball.


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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    It is pretty clear that ISU does not have the guys they need to run any offense or defense that is going to be strong against a team like Iowa. The OL and DL, plus the LBers all are either too inexperienced or just not good enough to play good D-1 teams. Unfortunately there is nothing anyone can do about this in 2010. All you can hope for is that the guys that are playing can execute better on offense and tackle better on defense. Some growth will come from playing and the weight room, the other improvements will have to come from recruiting.

    Having consistency in the coaching staff and the players is what builds good teams. Iowa's staff has been together forever and they have 29 seniors this year. Since they hardly ever take a JC, that means 29 guys in their program for 4 or 5 years. I doubt ISU has 10 seniors that have been there for 4 or 5 years.



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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    Iowa is a very, very well coached team. That said, I also havent seen any shooting stars coming out of T Hermans playbook. He said that we don't have any guys on our team that "will win any races" aka we have no athletes on this team. I'd like to see where we are at a few years from now. See if we recruit some of these athletes.

    I think we've got some athletes on this team. I think they are pretty well coached. I think we still win 7 games this year. Thats a pretty damn good season. I don't think austen arnaud is a very good QB. He makes a lot of mistakes and just isn't really a spread offense QB.

    When i say spread offense QB, understand what i mean: I don't mean AA would be better in another system, i mean our system would be better off with a different QB. Somone who makes better decisions.

    The spread offense is all about the QB. You gotta build a spread offense around a SUPER STAR QB. Like baylor is doing with robert griffin, or florida did with tim tebow. Or a once pro style ohio state has done with ohio state.
    Honestly, I compare our situation to that of Rich Rodriguez in his first couple years. Instead of molding around his QB, he implemented his system then got the guys. In the long run, I think that is best because you will have the rest of that team ready once that QB comes in instead of having to teach the whole team.

    Don't get me wrong, AA gives us the best chance to win. I really see Barnett starting next year too because I think Tiller is AA except a touch faster. Herman has not had QBs that run. He wants them to throw.


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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCloned View Post
    It is pretty clear that ISU does not have the guys they need to run any offense or defense that is going to be strong against a team like Iowa. The OL and DL, plus the LBers all are either too inexperienced or just not good enough to play good D-1 teams. Unfortunately there is nothing anyone can do about this in 2010. All you can hope for is that the guys that are playing can execute better on offense and tackle better on defense. Some growth will come from playing and the weight room, the other improvements will have to come from recruiting.

    Having consistency in the coaching staff and the players is what builds good teams. Iowa's staff has been together forever and they have 29 seniors this year. Since they hardly ever take a JC, that means 29 guys in their program for 4 or 5 years. I doubt ISU has 10 seniors that have been there for 4 or 5 years.

    Your last point is exactly why we need to be patient.


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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    Arnaud did not run the spread in HS. I believe Barnett is the starter next season, he is what Herman needs.



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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    Don't get me wrong, AA gives us the best chance to win. I really see Barnett starting next year too because I think Tiller is AA except a touch faster. Herman has not had QBs that run. He wants them to throw.
    Completely agree with Tiller. I think Barnett and Richardson will be battling it out for the starting QB job. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tiller leave after the season if he knows which direction the staff is heading.



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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    As I mentioned in another thread, Hermans Rice offenses were able to put points on Texas, not a ton, but more than we have as of late. Its going to take a bit, but once we get a nice rotation established in our system, we should start to see improvement.



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    Re: Honest Question - Tom Herman

    Quote Originally Posted by gocubs2118 View Post
    Completely agree with Tiller. I think Barnett and Richardson will be battling it out for the starting QB job. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tiller leave after the season if he knows which direction the staff is heading.
    Hopefully he switches to a reciever...

    Maybe they could bulk him up and put him on defense?



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