Only 6 offensive lineman?

[Bubba Hubba]

Here's a question for those who follow/know more football than I do. Could our 4th quarter problems (in large part due to our offense failing to move the ball) stem from playing only 6 lineman a game?

Good-Jones, Seda, Bobek, Scroggins, and Fett, with Meeker as the sub. That's it, other than a few snaps with Windham in.

Or is this the norm?

I'm curious but not blaming coaches for not subbing more. Like I said, I don't follow line play enough to know if this is a problem. And of course, it might be a problem but the alternative is worse, i.e. too big a drop off with our other subs.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I thought Garcia got in late in the last game?

 

[isufbcurt]

Most teams have a starting 5 and maybe rotate 1 or 2 for the game on OL.

 

[Bubba Hubba]

I thought Garcia got in late in the last game?

You might be right. I was going by memory of the "participation reports." In fact, I hope he is getting in.

 

[Bubba Hubba]

Most teams have a starting 5 and maybe rotate 1 or 2 for the game on OL.

Got it. Thanks. It sounds like I can rule out this theory.

 

[TheJackWePack5]

Part of the reason is probably because from our 5 starters (even when gassed in the 4th) to our backups, is a huge drop off.

I do find it interesting that Garcia saw time during the Texas game though. He was mostly recruited as an OL in HS.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

6 I'snt out of the ordinary, but 7 or 8 helps in a high tempo conference. I think we are just getting out classed, the star rankings begin to show up when everyone is tired and making mistakes.

 

[guacamole7]

Got it. Thanks. It sounds like I can rule out this theory.

I might be mistaken, but thought Garcia got in just during garbage time so not sure if that can count.

 

[NickTheGreat]

I'm no OL Coach or anything, but our OL problems are nothing that 4 or 5 5* OL recruits couldn't help out.

 

[heitclone]

Seems like most teams get by with an extra guy to play at each T and G, you rarely see a C subbed out, so while we may not have quality depth, we play around the same number of guys as most teams. I think the opposing team's depth on the DL could be a bigger factor than anything we're doing.

 

[isucy86]

It is interesting that our OL play has suffered later in games. It could be defenses are adjusting at half.

As others have mentioned it is pretty common to go with 7-8 o-lineman during a game, so it wouldn't normally be an issue with ISU going with 5-6 guys. However, guys like Seda and Fett haven't taken many game snaps until this year, so it's basically been HS since they have taken meaningful game snaps. So the wear & team of a college game may catch up with them later in games.

 

[CyInDFW]

Something that CMC talked about early on also factors into the late game struggles for the OL...Strength. If they don't have the strength to go along with their conditioning then it will show as the game goes on.

It said something about the team when CMC said Bobek was the strongest guy on the team the day he stepped onto campus.

 

[SpokaneCY]

It is interesting that our OL play has suffered later in games. It could be defenses are adjusting at half.

As others have mentioned it is pretty common to go with 7-8 o-lineman during a game, so it wouldn't normally be an issue with ISU going with 5-6 guys. However, guys like Seda and Fett haven't taken many game snaps until this year, so it's basically been HS since they have taken meaningful game snaps. So the wear & team of a college game may catch up with them later in games.

There is a reason walk-on OLs rarely get live snaps... God bless 'em for sticking with the program and giving it their all as this year would be REALLY dark absent Fett and Seda, but talent does make a difference and that is something we are woefully short of right now.

 

[Luth4Cy]

There is a reason walk-on OLs rarely get live snaps... God bless 'em for sticking with the program and giving it their all as this year would be REALLY dark absent Fett and Seda, but talent does make a difference and that is something we are woefully short of right now.

Agree with this one big time. Fett and Seda are great workers and I appreciate their dedication, but we've got guys on the o-line that simply aren't Big 12 athletes. Luckily for us they've got five star hearts which has allowed our offense to look pretty darn good at times.

 

[Tedcyclone]

Here's a question for those who follow/know more football than I do. Could our 4th quarter problems (in large part due to our offense failing to move the ball) stem from playing only 6 lineman a game?

Good-Jones, Seda, Bobek, Scroggins, and Fett, with Meeker as the sub. That's it, other than a few snaps with Windham in.

Or is this the norm?

I'm curious but not blaming coaches for not subbing more. Like I said, I don't follow line play enough to know if this is a problem. And of course, it might be a problem but the alternative is worse, i.e. too big a drop off with our other subs.

I'd say guys should be able to play the entire game on the offensive line. At least guys I want.

 

[madguy30]

Agree with this one big time. Fett and Seda are great workers and I appreciate their dedication, but we've got guys on the o-line that simply aren't Big 12 athletes. Luckily for us they've got five star hearts which has allowed our offense to look pretty darn good at times.

Successful walk ons can't go unnoticed in the transition/building of the program. I'm glad at least someone has been able to be serviceable.

 

[bozclone]

I think they would prefer to play 5, but have two subs if needed. I don't think you rotate your offensive line like you do your defensive line. Chemistry is too important. Texas's defensive line just outplayed our guys. It happens. If our playmakers make plays against Baylor and Okie St late in those games, we wouldn't even be talking about the o-line.

 

[CyCloned]

Part of the reason is probably because from our 5 starters (even when gassed in the 4th) to our backups, is a huge drop off.

I do find it interesting that Garcia saw time during the Texas game though. He was mostly recruited as an OL in HS.

I am assuming that the backups must be way back in ability or something, because Garcia has only been an OL for a few weeks. Even though he may have been recruited as an OL, he has not been practicing at it near as long as a lot of other guys. Really a sad situation. It would be nice to have a couple more serviceable guys that could go in during the 3rd quarter so the starters could have a little left at the end of the games.

As someone else pointed out, the skill players have dropped the ball, or made bad choices in the 4th quarter of close games, so it isn't all on the line.