Which option would you prefer?

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  1. buf87

    buf87 Well-Known Member

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    Gearing up for 1 big year at Nationals or consistence?

    KJ's 1st year
    Iowa State was loaded with Fanthorpe, Mueller, Varner, Zabriskie, C Sanderson, Gallick. and Burk and Curran as seniors
    We placed 3rd with 3 AA - 2 champs and a runnerup (Long)
    Underclassmen were Long and Reader, Dalton Jensen and 25 guys on the roster

    We know what happened next

    Oklahoma tried doing it this year with Patterson, Lester, Maple, Howe and Rutt and got 10th and really only have Brewer coming back for leadership

    I feel many teams are taking this approach because it is tough to crack the consistence of Penn State, Minnesota, Iowa, Ok State.

    Ohio State seems to be gearing up for a big year redshirt Hunter Stieber.

    Should we be trying for the big year or stay with 2-4 seniors every year and maintain balance?
     
  2. Wesley

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    Re: Which option would you perfer?

    Is their parity in the wrestling ranks?
     
  3. LindenCy

    LindenCy Keep and Pride - It works
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    Re: Which option would you perfer?

    Balance building to elite status. In other words, consistent team results, while slowly (I'm ok with quickly), uprgrading the lineup every year as best we can.
     
  4. buf87

    buf87 Well-Known Member

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    Re: Which option would you perfer?

    I think after the top 4, there is a lot of parity.
    I put Penn State, Ok State, Minnesota and Iowa in the top 4, maybe add Cornell
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    Ohio State, Missouri, Iowa State, Michigan, Edinboro, Northwestern, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Virginia Tech, Illinois trying to move in
    UNI, Virginia, NDSU, Old Dominion and others getting stronger
     
  5. Judoka

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    The problem is scholarships. When you've only got 9.9 scholarships to spread over 5 classes it is tough to get multipple elite guys per class, especially if you have to draw them in from out of state (since it takes a higher percentage of a scholie to match what they'd pay in in-state tuition in their home state)
     
  6. buf87

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    And not having big misses. A lot of money lost for a year tied up with McCauley and didn't get any performance.

    A lot of money tied up in Ryak and Cozart, but did have 2 and 1 year respectively on the mat.
     
  7. LindenCy

    LindenCy Keep and Pride - It works
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    Yeah, that is true, but you can build depth and balance and upgrade where you can, even if that is not the top recruits every year. I maybe shouldn't have used the word elite.

    I also realize I basically didn't say much in the original post. I would just rather see us consistently competitive rather than build for one year and have down years. The thing I love about wrestling is that even when your team is down, however, you usually have individuals to root for.
     
  8. howellc33

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    Re: Which option would you perfer?

    I would love to contend for a title every year-who wouldn't? But realistically, to be good every year is better than being elite for just one.
     
  9. Wesley

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    We use to be good every year.
     
  10. kingcy

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    Re: Which option would you perfer?

    What is wrong with being in with the top group? It can be done.
     
  11. buf87

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    I agree it can be done. I hope we get there. It takes time to get back there and there are a lot of teams trying.

    Couple things that hurt us (I think) are we are not in the Big 10. I think that is a huge draw for elite high school kids. I do hope the ACC/Big 12 qualifier goes though. I think that would be a big step in the right direction.

    Also not many Iowa elite high school kids. Next year really only Freddy Stroker. Need to compete with out of state tuition issues for recruits
     
  12. ISU22CY

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    Consistance... Too much to risk trying to go for one big class.
     
  13. wesley_w

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    Re: Which option would you perfer?

    I've always been curious about scholarship allocations. Do you think there are multiple guys with full rides and a bunch of guys with .3 or .4 or does no one get a full ride? It just seems like there has to be a lot of guys working their ***** off in the room with almost no financial aid.
    I've wondered if there is bidding going on for elite recruits, do most of them get a full scholarship right away?
     
  14. cloneswillwin

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    Re: Which option would you perfer?

    Posted in another thread - just so everyone knows the facts. We haven't been consistently in the top 3 since Nichols and Gibbons (30 years ago)

    -Last 30 years we have been a consistent top 10 team (6 out of 30 years outside top 10), a frequent top 5 team (15 of the 30 years) and a rare title contender (top 2 finishes 4 times in 30 years)
    -I do believe the landscape of college wrestling has changed significantly - parity has been created by the reduction in D1 teams
    -9.9 scholarships and 80 d1 schools so 800 scholarships total to distribute over 5 years assuming RS - 160 kids get scholarships each year on average - think of that the top 150 seniors each year have to get distributed across all the schools
     
  15. buf87

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    I think a lot off kids are getting .2 to .4 for scholarships.
     
  16. Judoka

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    Very few guys in college wrestling are on full rides. But it is definetely safe to say there is bidding for top recruits. Especially with the in-state/out of state difference. We might have to give a guy from, say, Ohio, a .6 schollie just to equal what it would cost him out of pocket to walk on at Ohio State.
     
  17. Judoka

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    Re: Which option would you perfer?

    To better answer the question though... I think I prefer the Minnesota model of having a lineup full of guys ranked in the 6-15 range who give you a chance to have a good run and win it, but you don't have all your eggs in one basket if somebody doesn't pan out.
     
  18. cloneswillwin

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    Agree completely - Iowa and Penn State recent runs were based on 2 for 1 recruiting, we are back to normal now. Okie state and Minn have the blue print for long term success (the same blue print Iowa is back to having now) UNI's 2 for 1 run is coming to an end soon as well best they could do is top out at 14th with a disappointing NCAA Tourney.
     
  19. Wesley

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    So we are back if we hit Top ten?
     
  20. buf87

    buf87 Well-Known Member

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    Also Minnesota is doing it with Minnesota kids (Thorns, Ness, Steinhaus, Zilverberg, Branacle, Nelson) Others are nearby Dakotas including Storley and Schiller. That is probably what I like most about the Minnesota program
     

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