Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

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  1. OkaForPrez

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    Hello Clone Friends,

    Thought you might be interested to hear that former head basketball coach Tom Penders said on the Tim Brando show that Ollie and Hoiberg were going to revolutionize college basketball in the way the spread offense changed college football. Said that even hall of fame coaches would have to adapt for answer to it.

    I assume that Penders is talking about the positionless, inverted offense systems that both utilize.

    Pretty cool time to be a UConn/Iowa State fan.
     
  2. Incyte

    Incyte Well-Known Member

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    I think he's right. Penders is a pretty respected in basketball circles.
     
  3. Jeremy

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    Personally, while I think it's unique, I don't think it's as hard to defend and adjust to as some of the other major shifts we've seen in basketball and football over the past decade or so. Basketball is so much about player matchups that no type of system is as hard to adapt to as the players being matched up against. Good example is Baylor's defense - it can be broken with the right type of attack and a team like UCONN this year showed that quick, athletic, and eager defenders can adapt to a wide-range of styles such as those they faced against ISU, MSU, Florida, and UK - each with a different twist.
     
  4. cyclones12321

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    Hopefully everybody doesn't mock our offense
     
  5. StratCY

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    Even if they did try to mock it, it would be like Messignham/Herman trying to replicate Mangino
     
  6. Cyclonepride

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    I don't remember UConn inverting their offense much . Not taking anything away from Ollie because he is obviously a great coach.
     
  7. Wesley

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    Thought the UCONN defense was just as key to their success. Their two little guards did a good job harassing the perimeter.
     
  8. OkaForPrez

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    You can see the building blocks of Ollie's system and its similarities to Hoibergs. Screen action based with free form options, spread floor with shooters/slashers. He's recruiting the same player over and over again.

    Hamliton/Purvis/Cassell/Jackson/Ali it's all the same guy. Ollie hasn't had his own personnel yet, you'll start to see the programs resemble each other IMO.
     
  9. Wesley

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    The offense is similar. Pro style. Shabaz did a good job hitting the threes the last ten games.
     
  10. CycloneErik

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    If you guys make a habit of scoring the way we do, it makes a lot of other teams tough to watch.
    Just a heads up.
     
  11. CarlHungus

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    Jon Rothstein was on Jim Rome earlier this week and he said that AD's will start to look at hiring younger coaches that don't necessarily have much coaching experience because of the success Hoiberg and Ollie have had
     
  12. Jeremy

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    It seems to go in ebbs and flows. A few hot young coaches have success and young coaches are the rage until people realize it isn't just about being young, it's about being in the right program at the right time. Then those young coaches flame out at the other schools and it goes back to picking veteran coaches for stability purposes. Not much different in any other sport.

    More than anything, what you'll probably happen with more success is middle of the road programs needing to make a surge bring in prior star players for a shot at the right coach, right program, right time trifecta. This happened with Hoiberg, Ollie, Manning and to an extent Kliff Kingsburry, Cael Sanderson, etc. The hard part for people to remember is that it has to be the right mix of those three characteristics or you'll be trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
     
  13. cyclones12321

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    Very true.
     
  14. HFCS

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    A key for UConn was making an insane ft%
     
  15. jsb

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    well then you should be a coach, because lots of teams have had a lot of trouble defending Iowa State over the past 4 years. If it is as easy as you seem to think, then more teams should be doing it.
     
  16. cycfan1

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    UConn and ISU run the same offense? Seriously?From what I remember about that game, UConn got out to a quick lead and the Napier would stand at half court and dribble for 30 seconds before draining a rediculous shot. They shot a good amount of mid range jumpers. Did not invert offense or capitalize on mismatches. Only type of fast break was on a steal by the guards.
     
  17. reaCY

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    Nice counterpoint
     
  18. gogagig

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    For or every Fred Hoiberg, there's a young Quin Snyder or Steve Alford (the young Steve Alford, that is)
     
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    You are wrong. For every Fred Hoiberg there are 50 young Quinn Snyders. Its stupid to hire a coach because he is young or has an NBA background, or coached at this place before. Each coach and each situation is different. Are ADs going to run out and hire 60 yo coaches since Bo Ryan made the Final Four? Its about the person not the idea that they are like so and so.
     
  20. cyclones500

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    Yes, 90-plus percent over 6 games, averaging in neighborhood 20 attempts per game makes a team hard to beat. (It helps to have played with leads, too — try to play catch-up when a team hits 15 straight from the line: Difficult).

    Additionally, I haven't checked UConn's FG% numbers, but hyperbole says they missed only two-dozen shots from Iowa State game onward.
     

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