ISU,Iowa, UNI funding Formula

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  1. Bobber

    Bobber Well-Known Member

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    Interesting Article on this: http://thegazette.com/subject/news/iowa-regents-could-tip-the-balance-20140628

    Interesting Community Colleges are worried about this. Also U of I also seems a bit worried.

    I wonder sometimes about the kids that transfer to ISU from Community Colleges. Have talked to a few Prof's who have said they haven't always been impressed with the quality of the education the students got going that route.
     
  2. CyFan61

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    Interesting to see what this will be. I am sure the brass at UI will do absolutely everything in their power to prevent ISU from getting more funding than them, as that would be a huge blow to UI. Iowa has gotten more funding than Iowa State literally forever. UI could be unveiling a massive new in-state scholarship program soon, or something similar.
     
  3. Bobber

    Bobber Well-Known Member

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    Seems pretty certain U of I is going to lose money on this deal and ISU will gain. Not sure if we'll take the lead, but not that big a deal IMO other than ego(and we know U of I's tends to be pretty large....)
     
  4. Daserop

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    u of i will someone be able to get more funding than isu
     
  5. crash_zone

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    I know some Hawks that are pretty upset that ISU would get more funding from the state. Why wouldn't the state want to spend money on Iowa students? Makes perfect sense to me.

    Remember the first year that Iowa got off of public funding for their athletics? Right away they are clamoring for no state funding for athletics (Why should ISU get state funding for sports when UofI doesn't need it - forgetting that UofI had it for years prior and was just able to get off of it because of the Big 10 Network).....until they figured out that would kill UNI's athletics.
     
  6. BoxsterCy

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    It's a done deal with the Regents approving the new funding distribution 8-1, devil will be in the implementation details and timing. U of I is going to respond by trying to actually get more Iowan's to attend. The whole thing was pretty stupid considering the state funding was inversely related to how many tax paying Iowans actually attended the respective universities.

    From another Gazette article:

     
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    This new funding model really makes complete sense from a state of Iowa economic standpoint. Why provide more money to a school that develops talent that will mostly benefit other states after graduation?

    Also, I flew into Cedar Rapids a couple weeks ago and the first thing I saw was an Iowa State advertisement right at the front of the jet bridge. Thought that was pretty cool; I don't think you ever would have seen that in Eastern Iowa 5 years ago. Iowa better have a pretty good strategy if they plan on out-recruiting us in-state.
     
  9. CyFan61

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    I agree with this 100% but I think the next major issue (that the Legislature needs to address) is retention of graduates that go to Iowa colleges and universities. It seems like for many, even if you want to stay in the Midwest, your options are Minneapolis, Chicago, and/or Kansas City to get a good job (mostly). We are investing a good amount of money in educating students, but that isn't worth a whole lot from an Iowan public policy standpoint if they leave right after they graduate and don't come back.
     
  10. LutherBlue

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    ISU and Iowa will cannibalize UNI, the community colleges and the private liberal arts schools. I hope folks are happy.
     
  11. Daserop

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    How so? I honestly don't know.
     
  12. NATEizKING

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    But why?

    http://www.businessrecord.com/Content/Retail---Business/Retail---Business/Article/U-S--News--Des-Moines-is-richest-metro-area/179/854/44652
     
  13. FDWxMan

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    Most of the private and community colleges have much lower out-of-state attendance.

    If Iowa and ISU get into more of a race on in-state students, it will be at the expense of enrollment there.

    Combine that with the fact from the link in the OP that the amount of graduating HS seniors in Iowa is decreasing....
     
  14. WooClone15

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    I could see UNI (who honestly needs more out of state kids), and the community colleges maybe, but not the liberal arts schools because those schools offer different things than the state universities. For one thing, people who go to a liberal arts school generally want to go to a smaller school. ISU, UI, and UNI cannot offer that. It isn't a bad thing, but it's just reality.

    As to the retention question, how much of a retention problem does Iowa have? Are students leaving the state permanently (a problem), or are they leaving for a few years and then moving back to the state?
     
  15. everyyard

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    Better them than us.
     
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    I thought this quote in the article was Hilarious, and just proves one of our stereotypes of UofI being University of Illinois-Iowa city:

     
  17. Cyclone06

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    Agree tzjung. Even the President of the U of I knows they are U of Illinois - Iowa City Campus. If her recruitment efforts for instate students fail, I wonder if she will press for an official name change. Why not just accept what every one has known since forever?
     
  18. JSmoove

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    Jokingly, U of I might be better off pressuring the state of Illinois for more state funding.
     
  19. CyFan61

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    Given your username I can see why you would be unhappy. I don't think the liberal arts colleges in IA will be hurt too badly by this. As another poster mentioned, they offer something completely different than what ISU and UI (and UNI to an extent) do, and that is not going to change. A student looking to pay $20-25k/year at Luther with a scholarship or $9k/year at ISU without one is likely not going to change their decision if ISU recruits them harder or maybe offers a $1k scholarship.

    Perhaps some of the students that would have otherwise planned to do 2 years at a community college before transferring to a public will now instead start at one of the universities instead. Other than that I don't think the impact will be very widespread.

    The 3 universities will compete very strongly with one another for Iowa students, starting recruitment earlier, tailoring it better, and offering more and better scholarships for Iowa high schoolers and transfers. I think that is a great thing for the state. More Iowa resources will be made available for Iowa students.
     
  20. LutherBlue

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    tl;dr

    http://www.cyclones.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=885727
     

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