ISU Coaching Statistics

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  1. CYwrestle

    CYwrestle New Member

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    I frequent the site to catch up on results and follow the wrestling program especially this past weekend (Big Thanks to Judoka)

    After reading some of the posts between the results, current coaches, past coaches, etc I wanted to share with you some interesting statistics. In this case a coaching comparison between Jim Gibbons and Bobby Douglas. Lets look at Jim Gibbons years as the ISU head coach (7 Seasons 1986-1992) as well as Bobby Douglas (first 7 seasons 1993-1999).

    Keep in mind, I am not going to argue or claim prior coach's recruits (i.e. Nichols-Gibbons; Gibbons-Douglas). Lets start!

    Jim Gibbons
    7 seasons as head coach for Iowa State from 1986 to 1992
    It's no secret Jim Gibbons is the last coach who won a NCAA team title back in 1987
    While coaching, Gibbons had 64 NCAA Qualifiers - 8 NCAA Champions (4 in 1987!)
    24% wrestled above seed (15 wrestled above seed)
    24% wrestled below seed (15 wrestled below seed)
    52% wrestled at seed

    Interesting number 46% (7) of the wrestlers who wrestled BELOW their seed were seeded 1 or 2

    Bobby Douglas
    1st 7 seasons as head coach for Iowa State from 1993 to 1999
    Coach Douglas came from ASU after winning a NCAA team title in 1988
    While coaching, Douglas had 52 NCAA Qualifiers - 3 NCAA Champions
    21% wrestled above seed (11 wrestled above seed)
    19% wrestled below seed (10 wrestled below seed)
    60% wrestled at seed

    Interesting number 40% (4) of the wrestlers who wrestled BELOW their seed were seeded 1 or 2

    As you can see both coaches were exceptional coaches. Both had set high expectations for themselves and the program-nothing less than a trophy (of course the national championship). Based on the percentages above, both coaches wrestled at or above expectations however not their own expectations (Gibbons-except in 1987). Both coaches were great recruiters and both have shown they knew what it took to win an NCAA team title. Jim Gibbons coaching 4 NCAA champions in 1987 or Bobby Douglas coaching a 11th seed - Trent Hynek to the NCAA finals in 1999. Now that's impressive.

    I bring this up because I believe sometimes some of the best coaches or times within our program is taken for granted. I enjoy going to meets and supporting the Cyclones. I enjoy running into former/current wrestlers or even Jim Gibbons or Bobby Douglas and talking wrestling.

    Is the program where it should be? In order to answer the question, that ultimately depends on what your own expectations are for the program. If you base it off of what Nichols, Gibbons, Douglas expectations were than the answer is no.

    Don't forget the tradition at ISU. You can't take that away, you can't take away what Gable or Sanderson accomplished as Cyclones or the NCAA titles Nichols coached. ISU Wrestling is one of the richest programs in the sport. When Coach Jackson took the job, he understood the tradition (he was a part of it) and the history as well as what the expectations were of the program.
     
  2. CYwrestle

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    Jim Gibbons
    7 seasons
    64 NCAA qualifiers
    15 wrestled above seeds (24%)
    15 wrestled below seeds (24%)
    52% wrestled at their seed
    7 wrestled below seeds was seeded 1 or 2
    Avg Team Placement at Nationals 4th
    Best Finish 1st in 1987
    5 Top 4 Finishes 1986 (4th) 1987 (1st) 1988 (3rd) 1989 (3rd) 1992 (4th)

    1986 – Team 4[SUP]th[/SUP]
    118-Perry Summitt 12[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    126-Bill Kelly 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, DNP
    133-Jeff Gibbons US, DNP
    142-Joe Gibbons 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] seed, 3rd
    150-Tim Krieger 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 5th
    158-Bill Tate 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, DNP
    167-Mike Van Arsdale 5[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
    177-Bob Gassman US, DNP
    190-Eric Voelker 5[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    UNL-John Heropoulos 4[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]

    1987 – Team 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    118-Perry Summitt US, DNP
    126-Bill Kelly 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    134-Jeff Gibbons 10[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
    142-Joe Gibbons 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] seed finished 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] place
    150-Tim Krieger 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    158-Stewart Carter 4[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    167-Kevin Jackson 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    177-Steve Metzger US, DNP
    190-Eric Voelker 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    UNL-Andy Cope US, DNP

    1988 – Team 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
    118-Gary McCall US, 7[SUP]th[/SUP]
    126-Steve Knight 4[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 5[SUP]th[/SUP]
    134-Jeff Gibbons 5[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 6[SUP]th[/SUP]
    142-Joe Ghezzi US, DNP
    150-Tim Krieger 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    158-Jeff Kelly US, DNP
    167-Mike Van Arsdale 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    190-Eric Voelker 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
    UNL-Andy Cope US, DNP

    1989 – Team 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
    126-Gary McCall 8[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 7th
    134-Mike Moreno US, DNP
    142-Jeff Gibbons 6th seed, DNP
    150-Tim Krieger 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    158-Steve Hamilton 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] seed, 7[SUP]th[/SUP]
    167-Bob Thompson US, DNP
    177-Jim Nelson US, DNP
    190-Eric Voelker 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    275-Chris Knutsen US, DNP

    1990 – Team 9[SUP]th[/SUP]
    118-Gary McCall US, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
    126-Dan Knight 5[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 4[SUP]th[/SUP]
    134-Mike Moreno US, DNP
    150-Torrae Jackson US, DNP
    158-Steve Hamilton 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
    177-Brad Knouse US, DNP
    190-Jim Nelson 11[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    275-Jamie Cutler US, DNP

    1991 – Team 5[SUP]th[/SUP]
    118-Eric Akin 8[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 8[SUP]th[/SUP]
    134-Tim Anderson US, DNP
    142-Shawn Rustad US, DNP
    150-Steve Hamilton 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    158-Torrae Jackson 8[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    167-Bob Thompson US, DNP
    177-Matt Johnson 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    190-Dan Troupe 12[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    275-Todd Kinney 4[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP

    1992 – Team 4[SUP]th[/SUP]
    118-Eric Akin 4[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
    134-Mike Moreno 10[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 7[SUP]th[/SUP]
    150-Torrae Jackson 4[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 6[SUP]th[/SUP]
    158-Kirk Wallman US, DNP
    167-Steve Hamilton 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
    177-Matt Johnson 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 4[SUP]th[/SUP]
    190-Dan Troupe 11[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    275-Jamie Cutler 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] seed, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
     
  3. CYwrestle

    CYwrestle New Member

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    Bobby Douglas
    In Coach Douglas’s first 7 seasons at ISU
    52 NCAA Qualifiers
    10 Wrestled below their seeds
    11 Wrestled above their seeds
    4 Wrestled below their seeds was seeded 1 or 2

    1993 – Team 6[SUP]th[/SUP]
    118-Eric Akin 4[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 4[SUP]th[/SUP]
    126-Rick Williams 9[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    134-Derek Mountsier 12[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    142-Jody Wilson 7[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 7[SUP]th[/SUP]
    150-Torrae Jackson 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] seed, 5[SUP]th[/SUP]
    158-Earl Harrison US, 8[SUP]th[/SUP]
    177-Matt Johnson 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 4[SUP]th[/SUP]
    190-Dan Troupe 7[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 6[SUP]th[/SUP]
    275-Todd Kinney 4[SUP]th[/SUP], 6[SUP]th[/SUP]

    In 1993 was Bobby Douglas’s first year as head coach at ISU. Given today’s culture, if Douglas had brought with him his guys from ASU (which he did not because he was afraid it would damage the program and possibly lead to ASU dropping wrestling) it would have looked like this:

    126-Shawn Charles 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    134-Marco Sanchez 8[SUP]th[/SUP]
    158-Markus Mollica 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    167-Ray Miller 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    177-Pat Lynch 8[SUP]th[/SUP]

    1994 – Team 10[SUP]th[/SUP]
    118-Eric Akin 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    134-Derek Mountsier 7[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 8[SUP]th[/SUP]
    150-Chris Bono US, DNP
    158-Barry Weldon US, DNP
    177-Robbie Steger US, DNP
    190-Dan Troupe 4[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 6[SUP]th[/SUP]

    1995 – Team 14[SUP]th[/SUP]
    118-Alfonso Cruz US,DNP
    126-Dwight Hinson 5[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
    134-Cody Tate 7[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    142-Derek Mountsier 10[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    150-Chris Bono 7[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 5[SUP]th[/SUP]
    158-Barry Weldon US, DNP

    1996 – Team 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    118-Jason Nurre 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    126-Dwight Hinson 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    142-Derek Mountsier 4[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 4[SUP]th[/SUP]
    150-Chris Bono 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    167-Barry Weldon 8th, 5[SUP]th[/SUP]

    1997 – Team 4[SUP]th[/SUP]
    118-Cody Sanderson US, DNP
    126-Dwight Hinson 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 4[SUP]th[/SUP]
    142-David Maldonado US, DNP
    150-Chris Bono 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    158-Jason DeLeon US, DNP
    167-Bart Horton 10[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 7[SUP]th[/SUP]
    177-Barry Weldon 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    190-Matt Mulvihill US, DNP
    275-Trent Hynek US, DNP

    1998 – Team 6[SUP]th[/SUP]
    118-Cody Sanderson 9[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    126-Dwight Hinson 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
    142-Cole Sanderson US, DNP
    150-David Maldonado 12[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    167-Ben Perkins 12[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    177-Matt Mulvihill US, DNP
    190-Zach Thompson 11[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    275-Trent Hynek 11[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]

    1999 – Team 4[SUP]th[/SUP]
    133-Cody Sanderson 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    149-Cole Sanderson 10[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    157-David Maldonado 9[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    165-Joe Heskett 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
    174-Perry Parks US, DNP
    184-Cael Sanderson 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    197-Zach Thompson 4[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 7[SUP]th[/SUP]
    275-Mark Knauer US, DNP
     
  4. 1100011CS

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    Apparently Tim Krieger came really close to being the first and only 5-time champion?
     
  5. cloneswillwin

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    Do the comparison over their entire career as a %, both Gibbons and Bobby started dropping off at their end. Most of my comparisons are to show the point that we actually haven't been a "title contender" year in and year out since Nichols and Gibbons were coaches and one could argue that Gibbons success was partially due to Nichols.

    What I wouldn't give today for Bobby and Caels ability to get top recruiting classes today
     
  6. CYwrestle

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    Fixed but would have been nice to have Tim Krieger for 5 years or more wouldn't it. He was a beast!
     
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    Bobby Douglas
    14 seasons as head coach
    104 NCAA Qualifiers
    25 Wrestled below their seeds – 24%
    23 Wrestled above their seeds – 22%
    9 Wrestled below their seeds was seeded 1 or 2
    Avg Team Placement 7[SUP]th[/SUP]
    Best Team Placement 3 runner-ups (1996, 2000, 2002)
    Worst Team Placement 2003 – 19[SUP]th[/SUP]
    5 Top 4 finishes – 1996 (2[SUP]nd[/SUP]) 1997 (4[SUP]th[/SUP]) 1999 (4[SUP]th[/SUP]) 2000 (2[SUP]nd[/SUP]) 2002 (2[SUP]nd[/SUP])


    2000 – Team 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    125-Matt Azevedo US, DNP
    133-Cody Sanderson 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    141-Sonny Marchette US, DNP
    149-Bill Maldonado 10[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    157-Cole Sanderson 7[SUP]th[/SUP][SUP][/SUP] seed, DNP
    165-Joe Heskett 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    [SUP][/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    184-Cael Sanderson 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    197-Zach Thompson 4[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    HWT-Trent Hynek 2[SUP]nd[/SUP][SUP][/SUP] seed, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]

    2001 – Team 6[SUP]th[/SUP]
    133-Matt Azevedo 7[SUP]th[/SUP][SUP][/SUP] seed, DNP
    141-Zach Roberson 9[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    149-Bill Maldonado US, DNP
    157-Cole Sanderson 7[SUP]th[/SUP][SUP][/SUP] seed, DNP
    165-Joe Heskett 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    174-Perry Parks 9[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, DNP
    184-Cael Sanderson 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    197-Zach Thompson 3[SUP]rd[/SUP][SUP][/SUP] seed, DNP
    HWT-Mark Knauer US, DNP

    2002 – Team 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    133-Zach Roberson 9[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 7[SUP]th[/SUP]
    141-Aaron Holker 5[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    149-Billy Maldonado 7[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 6[SUP]th[/SUP]
    165-Joe Heskett 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    174-Nick Passolano US, DNP
    197-Cael Sanderson 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    HWT-Mark Knauer US, DNP

    2003 – Team 19[SUP]th[/SUP]
    125-Grant Nakamura US, DNP
    133-Zach Roberson 5[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 4[SUP]th[/SUP]
    141-Aaron Holker 5[SUP]th[/SUP][SUP][/SUP] seed, 7[SUP]th[/SUP][SUP][/SUP]
    165-Nick Passolano 7[SUP]th[/SUP]
    [SUP][/SUP] seed, DNP
    184-Austen Palmer US, DNP
    HWT-Scott Coleman US, DNP

    2004 – Team 6[SUP]th[/SUP]
    125-Grant Nakamura US, DNP
    133-Zach Roberson 5[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    141-Nate Gallick 2[SUP]nd[/SUP][SUP][/SUP] seed, 5[SUP]th[/SUP]
    149-Trent Paulson 5[SUP]th[/SUP]
    [SUP][/SUP] seed, DNP
    157-Travis Paulson 10[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 6[SUP]th[/SUP]
    165-Nick Passolano 8[SUP]th[/SUP][SUP][/SUP] seed, DNP
    184-Kurt Backes 8[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 7[SUP]th[/SUP]
    HWT-Scott Coleman 12[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 8[SUP]th[/SUP]

    2005 – Team 10[SUP]th[/SUP]
    125-Grant Nakamura US, DNP
    133-Jesse Sundell US, DNP
    141-Nate Gallick 1[SUP]st[/SUP][SUP][/SUP] seed, 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
    157-Trent Paulson 6[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 4[SUP]th[/SUP]
    165-Travis Paulson 8[SUP]th[/SUP][SUP][/SUP] seed, DNP
    174-Nick Passolano US, DNP
    184-Kurt Backes 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] seed, DNP
    HWT-Scott Coleman 10[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 7[SUP]th[/SUP]

    2006 – Team 13[SUP]th[/SUP]
    133-Jesse Sundell US, DNP
    141-Nate Gallick 1[SUP]st[/SUP] seed, 1[SUP]st[/SUP]
    157-Trent Paulson 1[SUP]st[/SUP][SUP][/SUP] seed, 4[SUP]th[/SUP][SUP][/SUP]
    165-Travis Paulson 8[SUP]th[/SUP] seed, 6[SUP]th[/SUP]
    184-Kurt Backes 7[SUP]th[/SUP][SUP][/SUP] seed, DNP

     

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