Here's a stat for Hawk fans predicting blow out this weekend

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  1. hursts

    hursts Active Member

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    Since 1988 (last 20 meetings) Iowa has scored 493 points in the series for an average of 25 points a game. ISU has scored 353 points for an average of 18 points a game. This series has been extremely close for a long time now. Any Hawk fan expecting a blow out win needs to know this.
     
  2. SplitIdentity

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    It's been close for 10 years. Not 20.
     
  3. Bobber

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    You do have a point. I remember the loosing streak very well.
     
  4. hursts

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    The stats don't lie. Go back and check it, the average score the last 20 years is 25-18 you cannot dispute that.
     
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    Well I remember the 50 to single diget scores from the 80's. Those were our darkest days..
     
  6. hursts

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    There were many close games between the two in the early 90s. We lost the games but they were close. I think Hawk fans want to forget that part.
     
  7. Cyclonesrule91

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    #7 Cyclonesrule91, Sep 10, 2008
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    Then go back and look over the last 10 and they are much closer, because the 15 games before this last 10 were pretty brutal other then I think 88 when we lost 10-3 and had a chance to win on the last drive when Brett Oberg threw an interception at their 25 yard line. That was the first year in a long time that we actually played respectible and was also the last time I was in Kinnick.
     
  8. SplitIdentity

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    Ummmm, no we don't? Because they were still wins. I know what you're trying to say, but the series really hasn't been close until the last 10 years.
     
  9. ahaselhu

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    I'm all for bringing Hawk fans back down to earth, but here's the breakdown for the last 2 decades:

    1998-2007: ISU 7-3, average score 20.7 - 17.8
    1988-1997: Iowa 10-0, average score 33.2 - 15.6

    It has only been close for the last decade. We don't need to play games with the stats to prove that this is a competitive series again.
     
  10. hursts

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    If the average score is 25-18 the last two decades why do Hawk fans predict blow out win every year? Answer that one for me!
     
  11. SplitIdentity

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    Alright, and Iowa is 13-7 against ISU in that time (winning 65% of the games).

    Look, the series has been competitive - very competitive over the last 10 years, but you are the only Cyclone fan that would try to use the last 20 years as an argument towards your cause. The series has gotten good, let's just leave it at that.
     
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    And people drown in lakes whose average depth is 4 feet.
     
  13. hursts

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    You still haven't answered my question. I have heard over and over this week how it is going to be a blowout, just like the year before and year before that, and so on. You can spin it any way you want but over a 20 year span the average score is 25-18.
     
  14. Flag Guy

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    You guys are missing the point... it isn't about winning or losing it's about the margin of win. The point of quoting the 20 year stat is that even with those 10 years that Iowa went undefeated, the average margin of victory in the 20 year time span has been only 7 points each game.

    So W's and L's aside, the game is not likely to be a "blow out" like the Hawks predict every year. Kind of like how Drew Tate will win the Hiesman and they'll national champs...


    Most of you are arguing about W's and L's, which are ultimiatly whats more important, but was not the topic of this thread
     
  15. SplitIdentity

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    And the team that "typically" wins over that amount of time is Iowa. Is that relevant to today? No.

    And I haven't heard many Iowa fans predicting a blow out. In fact, I've heard them predicting wins, but that's about it. And before you say something like, "I can't believe Hawk fans are so homer-ish to predict a win", maybe you should check out some of the threads here? I've seen some pretty big score predictions in favor of ISU by posters here.

    Your stat means absolutely nothing.
     
  16. clonomaniac

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    It could always be another 23-3 victory in ISU's favor :yes:
     
  17. ahaselhu

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    What I'm arguing is the fact that by including the last 10 years where we won 7 of 10, that's masking the fact that Iowa dominated the 10 years before that.

    He's trying to say that it won't be a blowout because of the average score the last 20 years. However, the average score of years 11-20 is much, much worse than the average score of the last 10.

    In the last 10 years, its true that there's never been a blowout. But in the 10 years prior to that, there was.
     
  18. Cyclonesrule91

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    I think you haven't got your question answered yet because we are all trying to figure out why you are using the facts you are using. No objective person will argue that the past 10 yrs have been competitive. Most objective people would also say that even though the score might not be considered blow out material in the first 10 yrs, there was never really an issue as to who was going to win so is there really an argument about whether it was a blowout just looking at the score????

    If you consider anything over a 14 pt win a blowout, Iowa blew us out 5 times (91-19, 94-22, 95-17, 96-25, 97-43) in the first 10 years and 1 time (03-19) in the last 10 yrs. Same victory margin would say we blew iowa out twice in the last 10 yrs (98+18 and 05+20). I would almost consider at least 3 touchdown margin to call it a blowout and that would make it 3 for IA in the first 10 and 0 for the last and 0 for ISU.

    Ya, over the last 20 yrs, the average margin is 7.05 points but if you are using facts to support an argument for ISU, why in the heck are you adding facts that give less credibility to your argument. That sounds like something a hawk fan would do.

    1988 - lost by 7
    1989 - lost by 10
    1990 - lost by 10
    1991 - lost by 19
    1992 - lost by 14
    1993 - lost by 3
    1992 - lost by 22
    1993 - lost by 3
    1994 - lost by 22
    1995 - lost by 17
    1996 - lost by 25
    1997 - lost by 43 (ouch)
    1998 - WON by 18
    1999 - WON by 7
    2000 - WON by 10
    2001 - WON by 3
    2002 - WON by 5
    2003 - lost by 19
    2004 - lost by 7
    2005 - WON by 20
    2006 - lost by 10
    2007 - WON by 2
    2008 - WON by 10........:biggrin:
     
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