Help with state law question

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  1. mtowncyclone13

    mtowncyclone13 Well-Known Member

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    An elementary music teacher friend told me Iowa law prohibits music educators to give private lessons to their own students or students within their jurisdiction. Since I try and find the source for most everything (I am great at trivia but terrible at chit-chatting because of this) I immediately looked in the Iowa Code but couldn't find anything.

    Does anyone know about this or could help me find this section of law?
     
  2. 3GenClone

    3GenClone Well-Known Member

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    Like private lessons outside of school?

    I haven't heard of that, but thinking back on it that appeared to be the case in my musical background. I'm having my wife ask one of her pals that's a HS music teacher and also teaches private lessons to see if he can shed some light on the topic.
     
  3. cloneswereall

    cloneswereall Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it is. That would be like saying a teacher can't tutor a student or any student in their jurisdiction. There might be something about using schools for a meeting place without the money going through the district first (or not allowing every student to have a similar opportunity), but there are plenty of music educators that give lessons throughout the summers (which would be a private lesson).
     
  4. Rabbuk

    Rabbuk Well-Known Member

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    That's not true I don't think unless its new. Or district policy maybe.
     
  5. mtowncyclone13

    mtowncyclone13 Well-Known Member

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    I want to know if "that's what we've been told" is actually a state law or just an old wive's tale.

    I understand not using school buildings for private lessons and I also understand not allowing private tutoring of your students. "Gee, little Orion/common name ending with "n" would sure benefit from some extra tutoring since he is struggling. My rate is $50/hour with a minimum of 10 hours/month. I'd hate for him to fail my class".
     
  6. cloneswereall

    cloneswereall Well-Known Member

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    That's why I think it might fall under a category of "if you're charging, it needs to be open for all" kind of thing, or has to go through some sort of organization/business.
     
  7. NickTheGreat

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    I don't know, but I'm going to start charging our current customers to do engineering work on the side. Seems like a good idea :jimlad:
     
  8. ISUME

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    I thought this thread was going to be about tracking down the Zodiac Killer and making a citizens arrest.

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  9. LutherBlue

    LutherBlue Well-Known Member

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    I suspect you are getting at the heart of the matter with this example. Public employers likely discourage their employees from moonlighting when it takes the form of performing regular job duties (teaching music lessons) for regular "customers" (their students).
     
  10. CyFan61

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    I took private lessons from my music teacher when I was in high school 6 years ago in Iowa. It was over the summer, and it was at a private school, if that makes any difference.
     
  11. mganzeveld

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    The closest thing on the Board of Educational Examiners site I could find to this issue would be under Iowa code 282–26.3(272) Responsibilities. 6. The educator shall not use professional relationships with students for private advantage.
     
  12. nj829

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    Common first names that end in "N"

    Brandon
    Allen
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    Orion
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  13. 3GenClone

    3GenClone Well-Known Member

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    Here's the response I got from someone who teaches both private lessons and in a classroom environment:

     
  14. tec71

    tec71 Well-Known Member

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    You've hit the first issue already. The fact that a teacher could assert some undue influence for personal gain. 25 years ago I know of a chorus instructor who routinely taught private lessons after school outside of the building. While he never threatened to fail someone that I know of it was very uncommon for non private students to get significant parts in musicals or solos etc. It is possible that they didn't because they weren't as good because they didn't take lessons. But it was always a point of contention. He also routinely wrote on student's quarterly or semester report cards "Troy's talent merits private study." It always looked fishy.
     
  15. HGPuck

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    Its a grey area of the law that has never really been fully addressed by the Iowa Board of Educational Examiners as far as I know, although it has been brought up in their meetings in the past. If you felt so inclined you should search the Iowa Administrative Code (not the Iowa Code) and search through BOEE minutes.

    Unless something has changed recently, it is handled at the local level on a district by district basis. In general the practice is frowned upon, but it does occur in certain localities.
     
  16. Incyte

    Incyte Well-Known Member

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    Are teachers contract employees? If so, I assume their contract may specify.
     
  17. ruxCYtable

    ruxCYtable Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like someone is making **** up. I know TONS of teachers who give private lessons and yes to their own students.
     
  18. mtowncyclone13

    mtowncyclone13 Well-Known Member

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    That's my point. She was told this. If I was told this as a teacher I would ask to see the specific code section.
     
  19. cowgirl836

    cowgirl836 Well-Known Member

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    #19 cowgirl836, Jul 28, 2014
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    I know at least in IL there was nothing in our district about it. Now if only private lesson students got parts, that would be something else. If our director thought you needed more practice for a school function and you weren't a private student, she'd just have you come back during study hall.
     
  20. Wappadu

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    #20 Wappadu, Jul 28, 2014
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    It would be district by district, and not a state law (I think). Check your local school board policies first, probably under the Certified Employee section.

    For instance, in my local district: "Licensed employees may only tutor students other than those for whom the teacher is currently exercising teaching, administrative or supervisory responsibility unless approved by the superintendent." (Emphasis mine)
     

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